I still think its funny people read all 29 pages & 563 post & are still chomping at the bit for them. Just an fyi I ended up throwing mine away. They had stuff raddling around in them & didnt sit exactly flat & 1 of the ports on the side where the gasket sits down in them there was a chip in the plate that would have allowed the gasket to be exposed. On a flat surface they would wobble a tad bit. Maybe not enough to hurt anything but I wasnt going to have that on my car. Hey maybe I could have stuck them on the car & had zero problems but for 70 bucks I wasnt willing to risk motor damage. Didnt ask for a refund, I dont want anything to do with a refund, I'm not that kind of a guy, just took it as a lesson learned & wont buy home made crap again. Buy the real deal, or be cheap & end up costing more in the long run which is what happened to me.