Well, good bye 2011 5.0

[Flapjack]

I'd take an iron block car all day.

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[wbt]

with all due respect, i think this has more to do with the intial cost of entry over which has more potential. you can get into a 5.0 for well under 30k, while even used 07-90 cars are still mid to upper 30s. not to knock the 5.0, but id take the 5.4 all day over the 5.0.

I'd take an iron block car all day.

Pfffft.....

You don't know much about the Coyote do you?

I've owned an iron block 5.4 2010 GT500 and it isn't nearly as good as the new aluminum 5.0. The 5.0 block has been in 8, 9, 10.....sec cars and has taken 1K+ HP without a single issue.

Regarding comparing the performance of a 5.4 to a 5.0 motor, strip the 5.4 of it's blower, run it N/A and see which one comes out on top? Aluminum or iron block it won't matter. The 5.0 heads are better period and is why it has done more with less in a shorter amount of time vs. the 5.4 in the GT500.

You should educate yourself more before applying foot in mouth.

 

[monk36]

If you're going for reliable power in a daily car, id take a pulley swapped 500 over a lightly modded 5.0. If the 5.0 was already blown and built for boost of course thats another story.

 

[Riptide]

with all due respect, i think this has more to do with the intial cost of entry over which has more potential.

That is one possible factor. Less people are driving Shelbys hard at the drag strip. They also come with a manual transmission which is going to be an issue for a lot of people vs. the automatic. Much easier to squeeze every last bit out of the car with the auto - takes a lot of skill to drive a high hp stick car fast.

 

[Seer]

That is one possible factor. Less people are driving Shelbys hard at the drag strip. They also come with a manual transmission which is going to be an issue for a lot of people vs. the automatic. Much easier to squeeze every last bit out of the car with the auto - takes a lot of skill to drive a high hp stick car fast.

stick doesnt scare me, all of my cars were sticks. Didn't stop me from doing 1.4X 60's on drag radials.

 

[Riptide]

Good for you man. Lots of people have a hard time with it though. An automatic makes things easier there is no getting around that fact.

 

[Seer]

Good for you man. Lots of people have a hard time with it though. An automatic makes things easier there is no getting around that fact.

I've never raced driving an automatic

 

[CPRsm]

Pfffft.....

You don't know much about the Coyote do you?

I've owned an iron block 5.4 2010 GT500 and it isn't nearly as good as the new aluminum 5.0. The 5.0 block has been in 8, 9, 10.....sec cars and has taken 1K+ HP without a single issue.

Why isn't the 5.4 iron block as good ?

Regarding comparing the performance of a 5.4 to a 5.0 motor, strip the 5.4 of it's blower, run it N/A and see which one comes out on top? Aluminum or iron block it won't matter. The 5.0 heads are better period and is why it has done more with less in a shorter amount of time vs. the 5.4 in the GT500.

Actually these engines have been around longer than the GT500's and were making 1000rwhp+ LONG before the coyote came out in the GT's.
You strip the 5.4 of it's blower and you have a low compression turd. Of course the coyote's going to come out on top. Make the 5.4 11-1 and see which comes out of top. Apples to apples. The 5.4 blocks have made WELL over 1000rwhp. Any coyotes doing that yet ? 1 ? Barely ? I think the coyotes are the shit. But the 500's still have more potential out of the box. The coyote heads on a 5.4, that will be THEE engine.
The comparison on track times doesn't make sense either. Lighter car, lighter engine with an auto. Of course it's going to be faster. How many 9 sec stick coyotes? Compare those numbers for apples to apples. Plus that crowd for the most part aren't looking to change everything to go fast. Just a few bolt ons and enjoy the car.

 

[bolivianpimp]

Congrats on the upgrade! After reading this thread, makes me reconsider my future purchase. I was thinking about buying a used 07-09 shelby , but this thread makes me think a built/blown 5.0 might be better for the $?

 

[HEMI LOL]

Pfffft.....

You don't know much about the Coyote do you?

I've owned an iron block 5.4 2010 GT500 and it isn't nearly as good as the new aluminum 5.0. The 5.0 block has been in 8, 9, 10.....sec cars and has taken 1K+ HP without a single issue.

Regarding comparing the performance of a 5.4 to a 5.0 motor, strip the 5.4 of it's blower, run it N/A and see which one comes out on top? Aluminum or iron block it won't matter. The 5.0 heads are better period and is why it has done more with less in a shorter amount of time vs. the 5.4 in the GT500.

You should educate yourself more before applying foot in mouth.

Lol. Sounds like your the one getting schooled.

 

[LindsayEOD]

Congrats on the upgrade! After reading this thread, makes me reconsider my future purchase. I was thinking about buying a used 07-09 shelby , but this thread makes me think a built/blown 5.0 might be better for the $?

Dude, your car is freakin awesome looking. Just thought I would share my opinion on that.

 

[Synister500]

umm... if I keep the stock blower then 2.6 pulley, heat exchanger, tune and exhaust then a stage 6 port.

But I may just go right to the 2.9 whipple.

I have one for sale if your looking for a 2.9.

BJ

 

[Seer]

I have one for sale if your looking for a 2.9.

BJ

I looked at your thread, I'd love to buy it off you right now, but holidays.

 

[wbt]

Why isn't the 5.4 iron block as good ?

Actually these engines have been around longer than the GT500's and were making 1000rwhp+ LONG before the coyote came out in the GT's.
You strip the 5.4 of it's blower and you have a low compression turd. Of course the coyote's going to come out on top. Make the 5.4 11-1 and see which comes out of top. Apples to apples. The 5.4 blocks have made WELL over 1000rwhp. Any coyotes doing that yet ? 1 ? Barely ? I think the coyotes are the shit. But the 500's still have more potential out of the box. The coyote heads on a 5.4, that will be THEE engine.
The comparison on track times doesn't make sense either. Lighter car, lighter engine with an auto. Of course it's going to be faster. How many 9 sec stick coyotes? Compare those numbers for apples to apples. Plus that crowd for the most part aren't looking to change everything to go fast. Just a few bolt ons and enjoy the car.

Apples to apples? You are wanting to throw a set of Coyote heads on a 5.4 and call my N/A comparison bogus? Look in the mirror bud. Throw a TVS blower on a Coyote and make it apples to apples with the 5.4. Guess who comes out on top all with much higher compression. Your points of argument are lame and contradictory to say the least.

BTW - you go ahead and make an 11:1 N/A 5.4 with untouched heads and compare it to the 5.0. It will still loose.

Lol. Sounds like your the one getting schooled.

Not hardly dumbass.....

 

[CPRsm]

Apples to apples? You are wanting to throw a set of Coyote heads on a 5.4 and call my N/A comparison bogus? Look in the mirror bud. Throw a TVS blower on a Coyote and make it apples to apples with the 5.4. Guess who comes out on top all with much higher compression. Your points of argument are lame and contradictory to say the least.

BTW - you go ahead and make an 11:1 N/A 5.4 with untouched heads and compare it to the 5.0. It will still loose.

Actually what I said was those heads on a 5.4 would be the shit. Look in the mirror ? wtf ? I think they are better the head. Not denying that. But your trying to compare an 11-1 NA engine to a factory blown engine without the blower, and calling my comparison lame and contradictory ?

Again, comparing a 11-1 coyote with a better blower to a 8.5-1 with a heaton. Out of the box put on a 2.9, 3.4,3.6 on either, see who makes more. Out of the box coyote can't touch it. Will out run it with an auto for sure. BUt a comparison of engines, not platforms.

BTW - I still don't see what makes you think the coyote block is better than the 500 iron block. Because the iron 500 block has made more than any coyote to this day. Although this shop might just change that in coming months

 

[wbt]

Actually what I said was those heads on a 5.4 would be the shit. Look in the mirror ? wtf ? I think they are better the head. Not denying that. But your trying to compare an 11-1 NA engine to a factory blown engine without the blower, and calling my comparison lame and contradictory ?

Again, comparing a 11-1 coyote with a better blower to a 8.5-1 with a heaton. Out of the box put on a 2.9, 3.4,3.6 on either, see who makes more. Out of the box coyote can't touch it. Will out run it with an auto for sure. BUt a comparison of engines, not platforms.

BTW - I still don't see what makes you think the coyote block is better than the 500 iron block. Because the iron 500 block has made more than any coyote to this day. Although this shop might just change that in coming months

To my original point....

1 word, weight. Just because it's aluminum doesn't make it any less viable or capable vs. the iron block.

Again, if you think you can take a 5.4 11:1 N/A motor and it produce more vs. the new 5.0 you are nuts.

Some light reading for you comparing blower vs. blower:
http://www.mustang50magazine.com/te...ercharger_5_0_coyote_vs_5_4_condor/index.html

 

[HEMI LOL]

Lol, I haven't seen this level of fanboy faggotry since bimmer forums.

Your right, outside of nuclear fision nothing is better than a five liter.

 

[CPRsm]

To my original point....

1 word, weight. Just because it's aluminum doesn't make it any less viable or capable vs. the iron block.

Again, if you think you can take a 5.4 11:1 N/A motor and it produce more vs. the new 5.0 you are nuts.

Some light reading for you comparing blower vs. blower:
http://www.mustang50magazine.com/te...ercharger_5_0_coyote_vs_5_4_condor/index.html

I didn't say it was less capable. You said the iron was less capable than the coyote, when no one has made enough HP yet to prove your claim.

Valve timing only goes so far. You can only fill a cylinder so much. Don't get the coyotes stellar performance confused and tribute it all to heads. Compression has a lot to do with it. You think cam timing is the end all ? Come on. It allows you to have your cake and eat it,too. The article shows nothing more than what we already know. Compression builds cylinder pressure. Cylinder pressure makes power. Even says that in the article. How about this. Make the coyote 8.4-1, and the 500 12-1. Lets see if the cam timing will over come that.
You know people ran 9's with the 5.4 in N/A form years ago right ? With navigator heads no less.

 

[JEWC_Motorsports]

Cmon guys if you wanna debate whats better start your own thread. Now GTFO and let Seer have his thread back. lol

 

[HEMI LOL]

My apologies to seer. He's probably out driving anyway.