UPR

[BruceH]

No I do not see any of them claimer they are stronger, but they do claim it is "stiffer". My point is if you are building an aftermarket part it should meet or exceed the OEM application if you are going to market it as safe for the street, race track, etc. Just my 2 cents.

How ductile should the material be? One of the reasons I wanted dom tubing over cromo was concern about stress cracking with a less ductile material.

 

[05stroker]

seems as if the weather man used the search function to research a product purchase

Wish i would have before I bought the UPR tensioner. I now know that it doesn't hold the belt tight enough and lets the belt squeak unless you remove the set screw so the unit can hold the belt tighter. JMO though as a UPR part owner. (by the way, new stock belt size)

PS: UPR can feel free to contact me and send me the proper working part at any time they wish and I will not bitch about it a bit.

 

[Sharad]

Wish i would have before I bought the UPR tensioner. I now know that it doesn't hold the belt tight enough and lets the belt squeak unless you remove the set screw so the unit can hold the belt tighter. JMO though as a UPR part owner. (by the way, new stock belt size)

PS: UPR can feel free to contact me and send me the proper working part at any time they wish and I will not bitch about it a bit.

05stroker, I'll be honest, I've read your post several times and I'm not sure if you're saying that the tensioner failed or that it wasn't designed properly.

Either way, you can reach UPR at 561.588.6630 and we'll be happy to address your concern.

 

[Tucker]

We don't always invent new parts, we often improve on what's out there.

You "IMPROVE" on the parts you copy?

What did you "improve" on Silver Horses Fuse Box Cover?
UPR:

Silver Horse Racing: (Designed by SHR and released 2 years ago)

What did you "improve" on Metco's supercharger pulley and ider kits you copied:

UPR:

Metco:

Looks like you didn't take the time on the S/C pulley and do the nice cut outs, but everything else is 100%. Even the pulley bearing covers Ron @ Metco designed.

Just curious as to the improvements made to these items here.

 

[94tbird]

You "IMPROVE" on the parts you copy?

What did you "improve" on Silver Horses Fuse Box Cover?
UPR:

Silver Horse Racing: (Designed by SHR and released 2 years ago)

What did you "improve" on Metco's supercharger pulley and ider kits you copied:

UPR:

Metco:

Looks like you didn't take the time on the S/C pulley and do the nice cut outs, but everything else is 100%. Even the pulley bearing covers Ron @ Metco designed.

Just curious as to the improvements made to these items here.

oh snap

 

[rford426]

Get em Tucker!

 

[irishpwr46]

wow, it will be a cold day in hell before ill ever buy anything from upr

 

[CPRsm]

oh snap

 

[SilverHorseRacing]

UPR has been in business for over 15 years, and our racing success includes more than 10 championships.

Our parts are Made in America and they carry a Lifetime Guarantee.

Yeah, I thought this thread had died out a long time ago, but still, I like it when we can keep a thread going on so that history becomes important to the discussion. Jay sent me a link that this had resurfaced.

Since you are obviously now here Sharad, can you enlighten us on why the recent thread at Stangnet was deleted when your company was called out for copying our 2010+ Fuse box cover, right down to the fonts used on the custom engraving?? And it's not any cheaper in price than our piece, only in quality, so what happens to the extra money that isn't going into the product?? I think your exact words were:

"This fuse box cover situation is unfortunate. While what we did was perfectly legal, I can understand why silverhorse is upset about it and why many of you are put off by it. Although this situation certainly doesn't make my job any easier, it doesn't change what I think about UPR Products. UPR's business plan has always been to offer great parts for less."

Yours isn't less expensive, just lower in quality... it is the same total price. So with that argument squashed, got anything else??

While you're at it, can you comment on why the thread on Corral is under threat from UPR's legal counsel to be deleted because we're supposedly violating TOS and being "personal and abusive" or some such nonsense? BTW, it is still up, so far it looks like Corral is standing their ground...

Or of course you could just go back over to Corner Carvers and answer the questions that we posed two weeks ago that were never answered, seeing as you have time to come over here and post...along with the questions posed by others regarding the engineers you have on staff and use for your product development that requires such (suspension, engine, etc..) - we answered the question truthfully and within minutes of it being asked.

Inquiring minds would like to know... like we said two years ago, we're in this for the long haul, and will continue to bring the facts out for consumers so that they can make informed choices when spending their hard-earned money. Deleting a thread or moving the talk to another forum on the Internet will not hide the truth.

 

[CPRsm]

*POOF* Exit stage left.

 

[Blackbird1084]

Ok I figured hey just a couple parts isn't huge, but sweet Jesus this is getting ridiculous. This one thread helped me choose a Che radiator support vs up....granate...who ever makes the damn thing. I am no longer going to be buying parts from upr and will be advising against it to others.

 

[BlackSunshine]

Jesus Christ the lynch mobs are out in full force for vendors lately.

 

[Seer]

Jesus Christ the lynch mobs are out in full force for vendors lately.

Maybe some vendors should stop taking advantage of their customers.

 

[BlackSunshine]

Maybe some vendors should stop taking advantage of their customers.

I completely understand that and applaud this forum for being a place where people can voice their oppinions openly without repercussion from the Mod Gods, but I just feel bad for the company representatives who have to take the brunt of these onslaughts.

Sharad has been nothing but amazing when I've dealt with him for a purchase (I own a set of UPR LCAs) and unfortunately it is the nature of the beast in cases like this when "shooting the messenger" is the only avenue available.

Then again, maybe it's because I'm Canadian and we are always too nice to everyone

 

[weather man]

Your Not Gonna Like The Following

Dear SilverHorseRacing,

First off, since I don't know if either you or UPR is publicly traded...I don't own stock in either. I do have UPR stuff on my Mustang, but I actually didn't know Silverhorseracing existed with the searches I did for parts. I don't mind calling UPR out...peanut shortage don't you know.

I do know a little bit about competition being in car sales and owning a company with my 9 brothers and sisters that competes regionally for large precast concrete business. You want to talk about cut-throat...not my brothers and sisters

I really have 2 aspects that I will comment on. I went on your website and read your company bio. As a up and coming comapny, I think you are doing yourself a dis-service by posting these UPR took my cookie and ate posts. If you chose not to trademark or protect your copyright (for a variety of reasons, I know), that was your business decision. To me you sound petty and like a whiner. I think that is exactly the wrong profile an up and coming company wants to project. You only emphasize how small you are. People subconsciously want to do business with winners, not whiners.

I do think you are on the right track to emphasize the quality and design excellence of your parts. Why the hell would you mention UPR and give people a reason to check out there website? News flash...it is bigger! I also read you and GT40 posting about intentionally designing a part to fail so they could "copy" the bad part. How many stupid pills did you take before posting that piece of business garbage? Do you have any idea how fast your reputation design excellence can get flushed down the toilet? Our company survived the great recession because we never wavered in our committment to design excellence. You have to stop thinking like a mom and pop. Hats off to the engineer who said that is a really bad idea.

2nd...UPR and Siverhorseracing share no love...DUH! You are in direct competition with each other. We the consumer really don't expect it to be any other way. We the consumer benefit when you two, and the many other companies, knock heads. The other part is that UPR stepped up and is a partner in keeping this forum a going concern...If you chose not to, that is your decision....I Weather Man do appreciate that they help fund the BEST Mustang Forum on the web...if you (Silverhorseracing) want to piss in UPR's wheaties, do it someplace else.

That last bit does not apply to the fine members of this forum who feel they have a legitimate gripe against UPR.

I wish both companies the best of luck. I benefit when you are both strong and thriving concerns. Silverhorseracing, why aren't you a sponsor? You have some nice stuff on your site.

 

[merk]

Dear SilverHorseRacing,

First off, since I don't know if either you or UPR is publicly traded...I don't own stock in either. I do have UPR stuff on my Mustang, but I actually didn't know Silverhorseracing existed with the searches I did for parts. I don't mind calling UPR out...peanut shortage don't you know.

I do know a little bit about competition being in car sales and owning a company with my 9 brothers and sisters that competes regionally for large precast concrete business. You want to talk about cut-throat...not my brothers and sisters

I really have 2 aspects that I will comment on. I went on your website and read your company bio. As a up and coming comapny, I think you are doing yourself a dis-service by posting these UPR took my cookie and ate posts. If you chose not to trademark or protect your copyright (for a variety of reasons, I know), that was your business decision. To me you sound petty and like a whiner. I think that is exactly the wrong profile an up and coming company wants to project. You only emphasize how small you are. People subconsciously want to do business with winners, not whiners.

I do think you are on the right track to emphasize the quality and design excellence of your parts. Why the hell would you mention UPR and give people a reason to check out there website? News flash...it is bigger! I also read you and GT40 posting about intentionally designing a part to fail so they could "copy" the bad part. How many stupid pills did you take before posting that piece of business garbage? Do you have any idea how fast your reputation design excellence can get flushed down the toilet? Our company survived the great recession because we never wavered in our committment to design excellence. You have to stop thinking like a mom and pop. Hats off to the engineer who said that is a really bad idea.

2nd...UPR and Siverhorseracing share no love...DUH! You are in direct competition with each other. We the consumer really don't expect it to be any other way. We the consumer benefit when you two, and the many other companies, knock heads. The other part is that UPR stepped up and is a partner in keeping this forum a going concern...If you chose not to, that is your decision....I Weather Man do appreciate that they help fund the BEST Mustang Forum on the web...if you (Silverhorseracing) want to piss in UPR's wheaties, do it someplace else.

That last bit does not apply to the fine members of this forum who feel they have a legitimate gripe against UPR.

I wish both companies the best of luck. I benefit when you are both strong and thriving concerns. Silverhorseracing, why aren't you a sponsor? You have some nice stuff on your site.

Bashing a competing company is never a good idea IMO. Vendors should let there products and service influence the consumers decisions. If its is right to copy a product or not is irrelevant. Are the products that are being ''copied'' patented or copyrighted?

 

[Tucker]

It's more than patents and copyrights, it's about right and wrong.

Letting people know who invents parts and who copys parts just gets it out in the open so the customer can decide.

If a company has the machines to copy a part they should use their skills to change the part to make it their own.
That's all anyone is asking.

SHR, JLT, Thumper, Metco and so many others took the time and spent the money to design parts from nothing.

To have that work reverse engineered and sold for profit over and over and over by the same company is wrong.

People need to know who they are buying from.
If that means you don't like the comapny "outing" the copy cat, so be it
If that means you are informed and don't like the shop that doesn't put any real effort in a part, that's great too.

There's always going to be those who think it should be ok to copy and those who don't.
Take the facts laid out and use it for future purchases.

 

[white05gt]

It's more than patents and copyrights, it's about right and wrong.

Letting people know who invents parts and who copys parts just gets it out in the open so the customer can decide.

If a company has the machines to copy a part they should use their skills to change the part to make it their own.
That's all anyone is asking.

SHR, JLT, Thumper, Metco and so many others took the time and spent the money to design parts from nothing.

To have that work reverse engineered and sold for profit over and over and over by the same company is wrong.

People need to know who they are buying from.
If that means you don't like the comapny "outing" the copy cat, so be it
If that means you are informed and don't like the shop that doesn't put any real effort in a part, that's great too.

There's always going to be those who think it should be ok to copy and those who don't.
Take the facts laid out and use it for future purchases.

I won't buy from UPR for this reason. You guys put a lot of effort into designing and building these parts for someone to buy one and simply copy them and charge the same price. I will buy from the companies that original produced them even if they are a little more expensive.

 

[05stroker]

Are the products that are being ''copied'' patented or copyrighted?

This would be nice to know. And if they are has there been any legal action taken?

All in all though it doesn't take much to change something about a part that you feel makes it better in your opinion and sell it as your part.

 

[weather man]

Competition = Good

Tucker

You are asking the forum members to feel bad about the very competition between companies that keep the price of the parts we buy at a reasonable price. Sorry, I sympathize that business is hard, I don't feel bad that I get to buy the part cheaper, no matter who I buy it from as a result of that competition.

I think JLT goes about its business the right way. When you put your new PCV oil seperator out, you got on this site and did an excellent product/function/benefit presentation. When the guys said "Jeg's is way cheaper man" or "you can go go to Lowes and build the same thing for $20 bucks" you didn't bash Jeg's, you pointed out why your product is better in a coherent, non-whining, manner. That part and your CAI is going on my car. I like buying from companies that have quality stuff and aren't afraid to tell me why the price is justified.

Every minute a company spends complaining about the competition is a minute wasted. When you mention them you are giving them free ad time. It is a minute you didn't spend promoting your own product.

Silverhorseracing should be on this site doing the same thing as you JLT.