Beefcake vs BBR

[beefcake]

Isn't that UPR Vert a JDM Engineering built car : )

Nice runs Terry. Hope the head gasket is a quick fix and shes back up and running soon!

yes it is, Mark said you guys did a great job with the car


As far as BBR, i just made this post

This is how we settle this from both sides.

Have the Shelby at the local track this wendesday, i think they run on wednesday nights there Ken told me.

I will give the Shelby 3 hits at the 1/4 mile. If it beats my 8.93 from Friday, I will concede the loss. Hows that.

But, if the car runs the same as it did last Sunday. Everyone on the other side must post a public apoligy to me and concede that we were right the entire time!

Make 3 hits and video them, I'm sure I can get Ken B to the track to tape the runs.

I think thats about as fair as anyone can be. Don't have to close the shop, don't have to travel but a few minutes.

 

[JoshK]

Very well put!

BTW, I just got a damned infraction over there for a post where i edited out everything I posted and left this. Now you can get an infraction for posting

Well since we are all editing....

This forum is.....something!

 

[Mike K]

Yup I got one then banned. Lol

 

[skwerl]

The problem is that the mods never consider the possibility that they might be wrong. They simply act like corrupt cops and see nothing but 'a bunch of assholes all acting stupid' so they begin bashing skulls trying to extinguish the fire. They cannot see that their actions actually create more of a problem than the original issue.

 

[BruceH]

yes it is, Mark said you guys did a great job with the car


As far as BBR, i just made this post

This is how we settle this from both sides.

Have the Shelby at the local track this wendesday, i think they run on wednesday nights there Ken told me.

I will give the Shelby 3 hits at the 1/4 mile. If it beats my 8.93 from Friday, I will concede the loss. Hows that.

But, if the car runs the same as it did last Sunday. Everyone on the other side must post a public apoligy to me and concede that we were right the entire time!

Make 3 hits and video them, I'm sure I can get Ken B to the track to tape the runs.

I think thats about as fair as anyone can be. Don't have to close the shop, don't have to travel but a few minutes.

That's pretty good of you. I still wonder about the badass coyote they are said to have. Do you know if there is any reason why they don't just race that, ever? I guess I'm back to the "I don't get it" line of thinking again.

 

[skwerl]

Doesn't their "badass Coyote" have a Hellion twin turbo kit in it? When I first got to this forum a couple years ago I read lots of horror stories about those kits, seemed like nobody was ever able to actually make decent power with them.

 

[JoshK]

That was the hellion single turbo kit that came out first IIRC. All the sudden, a person never heard about the single kit anymore and everyone was pushing the twin kit.

 

[Nick@JDM]

That was the hellion single turbo kit that came out first IIRC. All the sudden, a person never heard about the single kit anymore and everyone was pushing the twin kit.

We built that car too. I will just say that there was some "custom" work done to that single kit...

 

[gizmo5]

EVERYONE.... STOP THIS THREAD, AND GO TO THIS NEW ONE.

Terry needs our help!!!!!!!!!

http://www.s197forum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1731843#post1731843

 

[CPRsm]

That was the hellion single turbo kit that came out first IIRC. All the sudden, a person never heard about the single kit anymore and everyone was pushing the twin kit.

Yup, you wonder why? That kit does not posses what it takes to dream of beating Beef. The twin will do it, but will they eat the crow to swap?
You're right though. Most haven't heard about the single though. Even after all the bullshit and their buddy's making a fool of themselves and hellion trying to call me a liar. Some excerpts of a recent thread on YB.

What are yalls thoughts on the kit making 800-850 without any issues. Thats what Im building the car to make. We have also talked about the WG being a issue and getting it fixed.

The info is out there though. I could tell you it all but then I'm an asshole lol

Lets hear it.

BBR made power with the kit, 953rwhp. But that was a 82/85 turbo and a 125 shot. Idk if anyone has seen the dyno sheet yet. But they didn't run the stock intercooler because it was "easier" to keep the procharger cooler. Other guys upgrade the wastegate and run the same boost level because that helps the back pressure (even though it shouldn't in theory.) it's probably backed up post turbine even though it didn't show any pressure. That's the only thing I could think of. Instead of a 3.5in down pipe there is a 3in cheated tube on there which probably doesn't help. Your boy Mike in OK picked up 3mph he said short shifting when he had the kit. Back pressure can be as bad as 3-1 with that turbine, but the manufacturer will tell you it's OK for a street car so it will spool LOL. The kit has more blown engines under its belt than anything out there that I know of. A probable cause is the O2 sensors are left in the stock location. That puts them before the turbo and under pressure. This bad in these cars because they closed lop fueling. The car is going to add or trim fuel based on O2 readings. Problem is under pressure, O2's read rich. So you end up with a rich reading when the engine is at a commanded 11.5 for instance. But the computer reads it as 10.5 because of the pressure and leans out the engine. POP
I'm not sure on the actual amout it's off because of the pressure. But the pressure will vary by cam timing and boost levels. So fueling will never be right unless run in open loop and dynoed w a wideband post turbo. You can pressurize and measure to see how much the O2's will be skewed if you find a tuner willing to spend that kind of time. Then you can command richer than needed to get you where you actually want. But if you up the boost, back pressure goes up and engine will lean out again. Tune for 10 psi and turn it down, you're going to be rich. You can move the O2's like I did in my kit, but then fueling is off because of the transport delays. I'm paying 2k to have those bianary codes changed because SCT and Diablo don't off those templates for tuning. You're kinda dammed if you do and dammed if you don't. I sold a turbo w a larger turbine to help another single owner. Wasn't sure if that would fix it or not and he knows that. But they lowered the rating to 850hp from some 1200 iirc, but will still sell them even though they nose over and have all these other problems. The dealers say they "have all the faith" that the kit runs fine, but change parts in their kits and sell you something different. You can see in the article your picture came from the dyno graph. They ran w no down pipe, no wastegate recirculation, no filter and even a large 1.15 AR. (Kit comes with a .96) it still noses over in their graph at about 5600.
Scroll down for graph
http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/tech/mmfp_1207_50l_coyote_bolt_ons/viewall.html

Valve springs are blamed, which isn't the case as thought for a long time. The blue car you saw in my vid had proto type springs before any were available and it didn't change the rpm range of the car. So far we're over 750rwhp on ours and it's over 6500 peak.

Interesting

This guy comes outta nowhere and quotes me, then posts,

YOU GUYS CAN TAKE THIS POST ABOVE FOR THE COMPLETE TRUTH> I have one of these kits i bought cheap. And its great for a street car but it wont make the advertised power. If you want more than 800RWHP go Twins, or buy the guys kit above with single.

HERE IS A VIDEO OF MY car. (It weights 3640 so you can calculate the HP if you like)
http://youtu.be/4kbc2z3rYl0
http://youtu.be/QYrz7I9kj5Y

It made 680/566 on a mustand Dyno and it was taped the :::: out on 11 PSI , backpressure on 16PSI was over 3:1. We ended making the most power on 11PSI, so we turned it down to their, It also pulls to 7K, but up the boost and it breaks up due to backpressure. This is evedint in the way it spools so quickly on my manual car. This is likely the fastest or near fastest heavier car with this kit. I modified the downpipe, modified the wastegate(bigger 44mm and divorced), and put the 76mm GTSH. I am running E85. The dyno numbers i have are pretty Stingy, But still the guy above has it right.
I have a tuner that knows whats going on and my car is forced open loop. (he is also right about 02s as well)

I am extremely happy with my car, but then again its a manual and I Didnt pay 7000 for a kit I thought would make 850HP.
JEREMIAH

The OP of that thread own a turbo kit that's been on two engines it's blown. He's the third owner of that kit lol. But remember, I was lying, says hellion. They started a screen name on SVT just for me LOL. You'd figure if they wanted to prove one of their kits worked by buying an '11+, they would have installed their own single and shown us all what we were doing wrong.

 

[topbliss]

repost from a few pages back. My buds car runs 151 with 16 lbs boost.

A friend just ran a 9.6 at 151 first time out last weekend in his coyote. He aint even got the boost up or the suspension done.. He is not on the forums either. Heres a vid of it.. Last weekend

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...v=wpiG_VrxesU#!

 

[Wnt2gofst]

repost from a few pages back. My buds car runs 151 with 16 lbs boost.

A friend just ran a 9.6 at 151 first time out last weekend in his coyote. He aint even got the boost up or the suspension done.. He is not on the forums either. Heres a vid of it.. Last weekend

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...v=wpiG_VrxesU#!

Good run and expected with everything done to the car. But he's going to jump to about 25lbs to catch up with a few of the other guys.

Just Another 700whp DD 5.0

 

[topbliss]

Good run and expected with everything done to the car. But he's going to jump to about 25lbs to catch up with a few of the other guys.

Just Another 700whp DD 5.0

Hes not a full time racer. its just a street car.. Oh and don't worry, he will be at 25 lbs soon enough And remember, that WAS his first run.. Lots of dialing in to do

 

[Wnt2gofst]

Hes not a full time racer. its just a street car.. Oh and don't worry, he will be at 25 lbs soon enough And remember, that WAS his first run.. Lots of dialing in to do

We are all street cars. I drive my car every day 25-35 minutes to work depending on traffic each way.

 

[pacettr]

Yup, you wonder why? That kit does not posses what it takes to dream of beating Beef. The twin will do it, but will they eat the crow to swap?
You're right though. Most haven't heard about the single though. Even after all the bullshit and their buddy's making a fool of themselves and hellion trying to call me a liar. Some excerpts of a recent thread on YB.













This guy comes outta nowhere and quotes me, then posts,



The OP of that thread own a turbo kit that's been on two engines it's blown. He's the third owner of that kit lol. But remember, I was lying, says hellion. They started a screen name on SVT just for me LOL. You'd figure if they wanted to prove one of their kits worked by buying an '11+, they would have installed their own single and shown us all what we were doing wrong.

I'm friends with all three owners of that kit

 

[Timmbo]

Man....the testosterone from this thread is intoxicating! "Semen Shield"...ACTIVATED!

 

[gizmo5]

Man....the testosterone from this thread is intoxicating! "Semen Shield"...ACTIVATED!

I cum alot...

 

[jeostang]

Congrats to Evolution bump.

 

[Bud]

Things are getting serious now. 1.29 60'....damn!

 

[Mystickeith50]

Congrats to Evolution bump.

Wait what? Did I miss something.

Edit: never mind I saw it.