Skwerl's first hot rod

[skwerl]

Anybody here ever spray paint their water to air intercooler? With the new CS bumper I have a huge gaping hole up front exposing most of my intercooler, and frankly it looks like shit. Was thinking of spraying the intercooler black if it won't interfere too much with heat exchange. I figure just a light coat on the face of the fins won't actually block much heat.

 

[BruceH]

You can get a SHR insert. It's about $85.

 

[skwerl]

Thanks, Bruce. I didn't know they had those for the CS bumper. SHR is semi-local to me and they have top notch stuff, although mostly just dress up tidbits.

 

[tigerhonaker]

Terry
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[Scott]

Brian a little hard to see because of the front plate but this is a SHR insert and Agent 47 brake ducts for the GT/CS front.

 

[skwerl]

Yup, I had the SHR inserts in my original bumper (see signature pic) so I'll definitely go that route instead of painting the intercooler. Already have the page bookmarked.
http://www.silverhorseracing.com/SHR-California-Special-Shelby-GT-Lower-Grill-07-09.html

 

[one eyed willy]

dust the radiator with some black while your at it

 

[Pentalab]

Race gas for less than the cost of regular that makes more power than gasoline is a bargain imo. Since it can't detonate it's cheap insurance for those of us with higher compression and or boost.

Your figures don't make sense at all. 56% more fuel? Is that your result or just the current misinformation that's being thrown around? That's quite different than my results. I've run it with a Whipple, Paxton, Procharger, and na.

Justins notes claim the AFR is 14.6 for NA with gas...and only 9.3 with E85. 14.6 / 9.3 = 1.56 more fuel required.

Ok, what AFR are you getting in NA mode with E85 ?? What AFR do you have with blower on...using E85 ??

My understanding is E85 is aprx 102-107 octane. However E85 doesn't have the energy content (BTU's) that 93 octane gasoline has.

If you look up the btu's per gallon of 87-89-91-93 octane gas....and also E85...and also propane and methanol... you get a real eye opener. Methanol has 1/2 the btu's of 91 octane. You gotta burn twice as much methanol vs 91 to get the same btu's.

Of course none of this factor's in the cooling properties of E85 vs say 91.

So how much more E85 is required....to travel the same distance....in NA mode...vs 91/93 octane gas ? If it is aprx 30-35%...the trade off is you have to fill the tank more often. The advantages of course is E85 is cheap to buy..and has cooling properties, and is essentially race gas with it's 102-107 octane.

Jimbo

 

[Timmbo]

What I can tell you is that last summer with my B326 running an M90 on 93 and a Brenspeed dyno tune I was averaging 14 mpg. Now that I've gone E85 with a KB 2.8 Mammoth and using remote street tuning with Jon Lund I average around 10 mpg. So that is roughly a 30% drop in fuel mileage running E85 vs 93. The AFR on both tunes are/were very efficient.

 

[stkjock]

So how much more E85 is required....to travel the same distance....in NA mode...vs 91/93 octane gas ? If it is aprx 30-35%...the trade off is you have to fill the tank more often. The advantages of course is E85 is cheap to buy..and has cooling properties, and is essentially race gas with it's 102-107 octane.

in general 30-35% more

to make big power/run big boost and do it safely, IMO, it's very much worth it.

 

[BadPiggy]

in general 30-35% more

to make big power/run big boost and do it safely, IMO, it's very much worth it.

King Ban Hammer here ^ once laughed at me when I mentioned HP and mileage in the same sentence. I was a green noob on this forum. He hurt me by laughing at me...really bad. I'm still under a psychiatrists care for that episode.

But anyway, after thinking about what King said, he's right.
If you want fucking mileage get a hybrid.
If you want HP, stick with what you have.

 

[stkjock]

King Ban Hammer here ^ once laughed at me when I mentioned HP and mileage in the same sentence. I was a green noob on this forum. He hurt me by laughing at me...really bad. I'm still under a psychiatrists care for that episode.

But anyway, after thinking about what King said, he's right.
If you want fucking mileage get a hybrid.
If you want HP, stick with what you have.

didn't realize I made that much of an impression....

 

[BruceH]

Justins notes claim the AFR is 14.6 for NA with gas...and only 9.3 with E85. 14.6 / 9.3 = 1.56 more fuel required.

Ok, what AFR are you getting in NA mode with E85 ?? What AFR do you have with blower on...using E85 ??

My understanding is E85 is aprx 102-107 octane. However E85 doesn't have the energy content (BTU's) that 93 octane gasoline has.

If you look up the btu's per gallon of 87-89-91-93 octane gas....and also E85...and also propane and methanol... you get a real eye opener. Methanol has 1/2 the btu's of 91 octane. You gotta burn twice as much methanol vs 91 to get the same btu's.

Of course none of this factor's in the cooling properties of E85 vs say 91.

So how much more E85 is required....to travel the same distance....in NA mode...vs 91/93 octane gas ? If it is aprx 30-35%...the trade off is you have to fill the tank more often. The advantages of course is E85 is cheap to buy..and has cooling properties, and is essentially race gas with it's 102-107 octane.



Jimbo

With a whipple and 9.4 compression motor it got 16mpg with gas and 13 with e85. An 18% difference. It was better with a Paxton and 11:1 motor but I can't remember the specifics.

The 11:1 motor got 18/14 urban driving when na. That's a difference of 23%. My current 12:1 motor that displaces 322 cubic inches gets 16 with gas. I just switched it over to e85 and am seeing 14mpg in urban driving but I'll wait until a few tanks have gone though it to make a call. I'm certain it will be at least 13.

Btu's really don't matter much for comparison purposes with internal combustion motors. Butter has more calories than fish per oz but that doesn't mean it's a better fuel for the human body. See where I'm going with that? There is more to consider with a fuel than just btu's.

Closed loop fueling always targets 1 lambda. To get 1 lambda with e10 the stoich is 14.1, it's 9.8 with e85. Normal driving is in closed loop. The afr will usually be displayed as 14.7 because most afr gauges display 1 lambda as 14.7.

What I can tell you is that last summer with my B326 running an M90 on 93 and a Brenspeed dyno tune I was averaging 14 mpg. Now that I've gone E85 with a KB 2.8 Mammoth and using remote street tuning with Jon Lund I average around 10 mpg. So that is roughly a 30% drop in fuel mileage running E85 vs 93. The AFR on both tunes are/were very efficient.

You could be using 30% more fuel. Your motor is turning almost twice the blower as it was before so the only way to get a good comparison is with your KB on gasoline. A M90 is a little less than 1.5 liters.

 

[skwerl]

Bad news, I totaled the car tonight. Ass end got sideways, I bounced over the curb and slid through the wet grass smack into a brick wall. It's gone. I'm completely unharmed other than some chemical burning on my hand from the air bags.

I had it towed home and will begin parting it out in earnest once the insurance company inspects it. For now I'll start on easy stuff like the tail lights and accessories but I'm already working on finding a buyer for the engine, trans and blower. I have a 3650 and the stock driveshaft but don't have another motor (yet) to put back in the car.

Yes, I fucked up. feel like shit about it and had to listen to 3 cops berate me for an hour and a half treating me like I was the lowest scum of the earth. They couldn't even perform their duties and tell me a single thing without including insulting remarks giving me their opinion of me and my actions. Tomorrow you guys can tell me what an asshole I am but for tonight I've heard it enough.

 

[Newman]

Shit happens Brian. Glad you are ok.

 

[JEWC_Motorsports]

Damn Brian that sucks. I wont speak negatively because we all have done dumb things. Live and learn. The car can be replaced, glad you came out unharmed.

 

[blk12gt]

Yeah, I don't think anyone is gonna give you any crap here, that's why we play with these toys. I'm glad your ok, glad no one else was hurt, and I'm glad you have a plan.

SN550?

Did the armed historians hit you with any street et slips?

Sent from my phone, spelling mistakes brought to you courtesy of tapatalk.

 

[BruceH]

Sorry to hear it. Don't do anything rash.

 

[skwerl]

I got a ticket for reckless driving (4 points) which even the cop said I could go to court and have it reduced to careless driving. I'll most likely hand it over to a ticket attorney and see what happens.

 

[AnotherS197GT]

Brian man, that's super disappointing. I love your car. One of those awesome cars that was so awesome in every way. Maybe they won't total it.