Should BMR make an axle tube brace for the S197?

[Mystickeith50]

Aye aye aye....Wbt do u have an inferiority complex? People would think u are twice as smart if u weren't always telling people ur twice as smart.

 

[wbt]

wbt, who shit in your corn flakes this morning? This thread isn't even about pinion angles, just look at the damn thread title! Maybe if you ease up a little, you won't make people bristle up just reading your posts. But at this point I'm simply ignoring everything you posted just because you're being an asshole for no good reason.

I didn't introduce the pinion angle discussion:
http://www.s197forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2000073&postcount=215

I am correcting mis-information and don't care about popularity contests. Put me on ignore and you will solve your problem with me.

Says tweedle dee of the pair. Nope, nothing to do with him. Just pop in whenever you decide to be an asshole for no reason. Could have just as easily said you got something different than him. He even thanked you for sharing and you went full retard again, as usual.

There is no "pair".

I saw information posted that wasn't correct and it warranted correction. Hopefully said video will have the correct info in it. If not then the correct information is now available for consumption.

Aye aye aye....Wbt do u have an inferiority complex? People would think u are twice as smart if u weren't always telling people ur twice as smart.

See above.

 

[luillo]

So far is a lot of great info on the pinion angle and I am glad because I need to do mine for good but, where the hell is the axle brace pics.

Let's just start a new thread about the pinion angle by it self so other members can SEARCH in the future, but for now.....


GIVE ME THE AXLE BRACE before I bend another axle......

 

[BMR Tech]

Hell no I won't take your word for it. Another instance where you were proven wrong. Add a disclaimer to the video that your recommended measurement point with the D/S in the car will be ~1* off instead of leading people to assume, "Kelly said it is right so it must be.".

Where I set my pinion angle and my reasoning to do so is my business. That isn't what the discussion is about. Obviously my shit works (see signature).
...and here comes the mouthpiece for Kelly Aiken.
By your own admission the two surfaces measure different. Goddamn what a revelation! That was my point the whole time. Thanks for the confirmation in a condescending way.

Look at my pics closer instead of just glancing at them. There is a clear and discernible 1* difference with my measurements. When setting pinion angle with the D/S in the car using the correct method, I don't just measure once. You know...measure twice, cut once.

You guys are so intelligent why not take a square and compare the front of the pinion flange to the spot Kelly is incorrectly telling everyone to measure from? Post a clear pic with a light behind where the square edge meets the bottom of the flange.

Yes, you proved me to be wrong.

When you proved that our K-Member saved MORE weight than we advertised, you also proved yourself wrong - in the very same thread. That thread was awesome. Everything from people seeing how we oppose exaggerated claims....to seeing the pictures of the method in which your rack was mounted on your BMR knock-off K-Member..

Of course, you probably feel like you made an impact in that thread, and you did. It gets mentioned quite often when people call to talk to me about setting up their suspension. I love my job.

Now, you have chosen to try and prove me wrong a second time, and ironically - you find that you were corrected by your own actions, again.

Do you not count?

Again, I will show the exact measurements tomorrow when I film our pinion angle video for the world to see. I am excited about it - to be honest.

If I discover that the method we have recommended since 2004 is incorrect, well, I will change it around. I may even put a small note thanking forum member wbt in there.

I have no problem admitting to error.

We too, own cars that we race. Because our 2011 GT has more passes than your car, and is faster, doesn't mean our pinion angle method is better.

Your method works for you, ours works for us/BMR and our large customer base.

 

[BMR Tech]

Aye aye aye....Wbt do u have an inferiority complex? People would think u are twice as smart if u weren't always telling people ur twice as smart.

He's a man on a mission isn't he? I find it funny.

So far is a lot of great info on the pinion angle and I am glad because I need to do mine for good but, where the hell is the axle brace pics.

Let's just start a new thread about the pinion angle by it self so other members can SEARCH in the future, but for now.....


GIVE ME THE AXLE BRACE before I bend another axle......

I will start a new thread when we release our video. It will be a great video, showing my simplified recommendation for setting pinion angle. No math, negatives, positives etc.

I would say 80% of the people who call me, about pinion angle, have theirs set improperly. Not talking .5 to 1 degree off.....rather, 3,4,5,6 degrees off.

We are working on the brace. It's coming. I think tomorrow we are going to release our new "entry level" LCA......then the sway bars in a month or two, then hopefully the brace. We are working on about 20 new parts for GM and Ford right now, so, give us a little time if you could.

 

[JEWC_Motorsports]

Kelly per our talk today I will be waiting for the brace. Cant wait to test this piece out.

 

[BMR Tech]

Kelly per our talk today I will be waiting for the brace. Cant wait to test this piece out.

Sound like a plan sir.

Thank you for being a loyal BMR customer.

PM coming your way.

 

[wbt]

Yes, you proved me to be wrong.

When you proved that our K-Member saved MORE weight than we advertised, you also proved yourself wrong - in the very same thread. That thread was awesome. Everything from people seeing how we oppose exaggerated claims....to seeing the pictures of the method in which your rack was mounted on your BMR knock-off K-Member..

Of course, you probably feel like you made an impact in that thread, and you did. It gets mentioned quite often when people call to talk to me about setting up their suspension. I love my job.

If I recall correctly my argument was that your claimed weight was incorrectly advertised. I showed where the UPR piece showed a greater loss in weight, pointed out how you were incorrectly comparing weights against the stock piece (all in your favor by not including the motor mounts and factory hardware).

I did you a favor and pointed out why your comparisons were wrong.

BTW, I am not the one sending PM's to gloat on on your measurements comparing against a hacked up UPR k-member(11/14 last year). Maybe I should post those....also still waiting on a customer to post up some independent measurements.

Now, you have chosen to try and prove me wrong a second time, and ironically - you find that you were corrected by your own actions, again.

Do you not count?

I do. wbt - 2, BMR Tech - 0

You were wrong about your advertised k-member weight and where to measure pinion angle from with the D/S in the car.

Again, I will show the exact measurements tomorrow when I film our pinion angle video for the world to see. I am excited about it - to be honest.

If I discover that the method we have recommended since 2004 is incorrect, well, I will change it around. I may even put a small note thanking forum member wbt in there.

No need to mention me, just make it right for the audience.

I have no problem admitting to error.

We too, own cars that we race. Because our 2011 GT has more passes than your car, and is faster, doesn't mean our pinion angle method is better.

Your method works for you, ours works for us/BMR and our large customer base.

I did the same in this thread. As I mentioned in post: http://www.s197forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2002374&postcount=239

...I thought it may have been 2* off. It has been some time since I set my pinion angle so I made a trip to my shop and the rest is history.

I have no agenda, let's get the right info out there and all is good.

 

[luillo]

He's a man on a mission isn't he? I find it funny.



I will start a new thread when we release our video. It will be a great video, showing my simplified recommendation for setting pinion angle. No math, negatives, positives etc.

I would say 80% of the people who call me, about pinion angle, have theirs set improperly. Not talking .5 to 1 degree off.....rather, 3,4,5,6 degrees off.

We are working on the brace. It's coming. I think tomorrow we are going to release our new "entry level" LCA......then the sway bars in a month or two, then hopefully the brace. We are working on about 20 new parts for GM and Ford right now, so, give us a little time if you could.

I didn't mean to push or nothing I just felt the thread was getting away or derail by your friend. LOL

 

[BMR Tech]

wbt, you are a hero in your own mind. That is fine.

I would clarify the kmember situation, but it's not worth my time. The argument started on the weight difference of the two. I ended up being more accurate, actually. Again, you are a hero to yourself, so you will not admit that.

It's funny how you list a score. It truly shows your Internet style. That's cool. The funny thing is, you're not even right about this topic, and you didn't even measure from the same location.

Good day sir.

 

[BMR Tech]

Double Post

 

[wbt]

wbt, you are a hero in your own mind. That is fine.

I would clarify the kmember situation, but it's not worth my time. The argument started on the weight difference of the two. I ended up being more accurate, actually. Again, you are a hero to yourself, so you will not admit that.

It's funny how you list a score. It truly shows your Internet style. That's cool. The funny thing is, you're not even right about this topic, and you didn't even measure from the same location.

Good day sir.

SMH......

You stated where you measured in this post: http://www.s197forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2002114&postcount=235

I measured at the same spot and posted my results here:
http://www.s197forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2003306&postcount=243

It is very clear in the pic I took where the base of the angle finder is (same spot you said to measure from).

My "Internet style" is to get the right info out there.

 

[BMR Tech]

Sigh.....

Off to Microsoft Paint I go....

 

[BMR Tech]

Edited - wbt, do you have a 1-piece DS?

 

[BMR Tech]

Edited: You do have a 1-Piece Shaftmasters.

You are definitely measuring from the same spot.

Again, I will clarify in our video - and if I DO find more than .5 degree variance there, I will change it - 100%

 

[wbt]

Edited: You do have a 1-Piece Shaftmasters.

You are definitely measuring from the same spot.

Again, I will clarify in our video - and if I DO find more than .5 degree variance there, I will change it - 100%

That is all I am asking.

 

[luillo]

Edited: You do have a 1-Piece Shaftmasters.

You are definitely measuring from the same spot.

Again, I will clarify in our video - and if I DO find more than .5 degree variance there, I will change it - 100%

I am really curious about the video because I think I found my problem and I need verify my method. If I am not wrong my crank is pointing down -2.5 degree and my pinion is pointing down also at -1.5 but my UCA can only go up until I get the pinion @ .8 and then is maxed and can not go up any more.

Do you think I will have to disconnect it and turn it more until I can go past level and be able to reach up to +1.0 for a pinion angle of -1.5

 

[fdjizm]

Your PA should be down as compares to the trans angle, not just down 2.5 degrees from being straight. If you're maxed out I don't think you're measuring correctly.
You shouldn't be comparing the PA to the earth, just the trans.

 

[luillo]

Your PA should be down as compares to the trans angle, not just down 2.5 degrees from being straight. If you're maxed out I don't think you're measuring correctly.
You shouldn't be comparing the PA to the earth, just the trans.

I think I know what you say but trans still was 2.5 aiming down to the ground and the rear end flange was aiming down 1.5 and all my measurements were about the same with all the technics I saw here. I used a 1 inch square on the back of the pinion flange to be in the same plane as the crank.

 

[luillo]

The front of my UCA thread still had more to go but the back was maxed out. I also use my LCA reloc on the center hole but I am not sure if moving that UPR or down will change pinion angle at all.