How safe is Nitrous on a stock GT?

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im installing a 175 next week dry. as long as longtubes, 2ford gt fuel pumps, 39# injectors. i was running a 100 shot untune, i know if i would tune it would perform better, but i rather go all the way this time. if everything goes right i may add a second kit for another 50 shot wet. by block is built. but may tranny or axles my brake. :)
 

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no you don't need bigger injectors. You can even squeeze by on stock plugs if the car is tuned right. but ONLY if it is tuned perfect. Might as well put colder plugs in the car though.
 

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I am running 100 shot,the stock pump , with Doug`s tune. I ran a 12:1 at 5600 ft above sea level. Which is really good up here. Never run the nitrous in overdrive,or Traction control on. Check your leanest plug after every nitrous run. That should be the front passangers side. Run some 101 unleaded race gas with your highest grade that your tune is set for. Just my .02
 

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I am running 100 shot,the stock pump , with Doug`s tune. I ran a 12:1 at 5600 ft above sea level. Which is really good up here. Never run the nitrous in overdrive,or Traction control on. Check your leanest plug after every nitrous run. That should be the front passangers side. Run some 101 unleaded race gas with your highest grade that your tune is set for. Just my .02


I don't know if I can get 101 in Abilene. I know I can get 91 at the pumps. Would this not be enough?
 

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Don't mix race gas in. Stick with 93 octane, nitrous tune and colder plugs ( they will atleast drop cylinder temps. atleast 100 degrees starving off chance of detonation( I personally wouldn't even run a 75 without colder plugs)).
 

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Don't mix race gas in. Stick with 93 octane, nitrous tune and colder plugs ( they will atleast drop cylinder temps. atleast 100 degrees starving off chance of detonation( I personally wouldn't even run a 75 without colder plugs)).

Why do you advise not to mix race gas in?
 

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So it is consistant. You have to guesstimate what octane and stoich point you will be running as it will never be a consistant mix. With a 100 shot it really isn't even needed. And with 93 you know the stoich point whereas with race gas it can vary greatly and actually need to be tuned alot richer.
 

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So it is consistant. You have to guesstimate what octane and stoich point you will be running as it will never be a consistant mix. With a 100 shot it really isn't even needed. And with 93 you know the stoich point whereas with race gas it can vary greatly and actually need to be tuned alot richer.

I got your point. But if he gets a tune for his race gas, he could get more power?
 

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Maybe. With a wet shot of nitrous you don't/ shouldn't make power from the tune. The power will be from the nitrous jet combos.
 

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Maybe. With a wet shot of nitrous you don't/ shouldn't make power from the tune. The power will be from the nitrous jet combos.

Not necessarily. You wouldn't adjust the AFR with the tune, but you could adjust spark, thus making more power.
 

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The reason you run a richer mixture is for a variety of reasons. The first is how combustion takes place in a nitrous motor is different than in a NA motor. Nitrous oxide does not burn, it is an oxidizer. It provides more oxygen, so more fuel can be burned, and the result is more power. The atoms in a nitrous oxide molecule are bonded together. At 565 degrees F, the bond is broken and the oxygen is then free. By adding nitrous oxide to an engine, the total amount of oxygen is increased and other gasses that do not support combustion (mostly nitrogen) are decreased. This speeds the burn rate and requires less timing advance for peak output. It is hard for many people to grasp gaining power with less timing, but it’s a fact. Peak cylinder pressure must occur approximately 20 degrees ATDC to make peak power. If you speed the burn rate, peak cylinder pressure will occur to soon. It is easy to run too much ignition advance with nitrous, but too much will not only hurt power, it can quickly bring a nitrous engine into detonation and destroy it.

This brings us to another reason you need more fuel in the cylinder. To keep the engine out of detonation, you must control the extra heat that nitrous makes. The easiest way to do this is to add more fuel. All nitrous systems come with rich jetting to give you a safe starting point. The extra fuel takes away heat and raises the detonation limit. If you don’t try to over do it, and keep the hp levels within reason, running slightly richer should be all you’ll need to control detonation. Running richer will both reduce the power output, but will raise the detonation limit to allow more nitrous to be used .

And last but not least "Atomization". You need a richer mixture to better the chances of the nitrous mixing with fuel. If a nitrous engine runs lean, it can destroy the engine in a matter of seconds. There must be enough fuel for the nitrous to react with, if there isn’t, temperatures rise rapidly. The oxygen that couldn’t react with fuel will oxidize any parts that get hot enough, and the next thing in line to burn is aluminum.
 

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I don't run a 100 shot and I have a blower so that may make a difference. But I have a 91 octane tune and a 100 octane for my nitrous. I run more timing and make more power with the 100 octane tune.
 
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