Kenny Brown Performance cars and coffee

[JJ427R]

Kenny Brown did a cars and coffee session and answered some questions from a questionnaire he sent out to KB customers. Talks about springs and shocks on S197's.
He's going to be having a workshop coming as well called "Transforming your driving experience"
Only on facebook right now but pretty good video.
https://www.facebook.com/kenny.brown.performance/

 

[JJ427R]

Kenny's topic for this coming Saturday am:

Line-up for THIS Saturday's Facebook Live Cars & Coffee with Kenny:

Join Kenny, this Saturday, March 14th at 11am EST when he discusses:

• Handling
  
  
• Show & Tell of his IRS custom Coil-over Shocks - Part II
  
  
• Details on the Transform Your Driving Experience Workshop
  
  
• Answering your Questions LIVE

If You Missed Last Saturday's C&C here's the link: Cars & Coffee- Session 3 - JRZ Coilover Shocks

Kenny shared great information on:

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  • Difference between over-steer/under-steer
  • Discussions on Torque Arm vs Watts Link
  • Show & Tell of Kenny's custom JRZ coil-over shocks
  • Answers to many questions asked during the session
    
    
    You can view previous C&C sessions below:
    • Cars & Coffee - Session 1 - Answers to Survey Questions
      
      
    • Cars & Coffee - Session 2 - Survey Questions continued
      
      
    • Cars & Coffee- Session 3 - JRZ Coilover Shocks

 

[RavenGT]

Kenny Brown is a complete hack. Junk. Avoid at all cost.

 

[Norm Peterson]

Discussions on Torque Arm vs Watts Link

Might want to double-check that particular line item. Something doesn't sound quite right.


Norm

 

[JJ427R]

Might want to double-check that particular line item. Something doesn't sound quite right.

I only posted it as it was in my email and I didn't really pay attention to that. All I can say is watch it, either you'll like it or you won't. People who are in the live conversation are liking it. He had a much better presentation today, think he's getting more comfortable with it.

 

[JJ427R]

Kenny Brown is a complete hack. Junk. Avoid at all cost.

Can you please explain a little and why you feel this way?

 

[Pentalab]

Kenny Brown is a complete hack. Junk. Avoid at all cost.

And u know that cuz.... this is ur 3rd post?
Troll.

 

[Sky Render]

Can you please explain a little and why you feel this way?

A torque arm replaces the upper control arm.

A watts link replaces the panhard bar.

I'd love to see a car run just a torque arm or watts link, but not both.

Lemme put it this way: you know how you should avoid discussing religion or politics with friends?

You should also avoid the UCA/Torque arm and panhard/watts link debate, too.

 

[JJ427R]

^You misunderstood, I was asking the guy with the statement Kenny is a hack that question.

 

[RavenGT]

Can you please explain a little and why you feel this way?

I have bought two cars (out of many) in the last two years that had that garbage on them. The last one was an otherwise clean 86 GT. Shit was straight outta China quality. Then there are the myriad of threads like this one: https://www.svtperformance.com/threads/why-i-never-had-much-confidence-in-kenny-brown-parts.257959/

 

[JJ427R]

I have bought two cars (out of many) in the last two years that had that garbage on them. The last one was an otherwise clean 86 GT. Shit was straight outta China quality. Then there are the myriad of threads like this one: https://www.svtperformance.com/threads/why-i-never-had-much-confidence-in-kenny-brown-parts.257959/

I have to say I read the thread and it appears the guy with the part said "Now that KB is out of business I'm left holding the bag. Live and learn I guess is the nature of this business!"
Kenny is not out of business ( I did not know he ever was) so I have to wonder if he ever tried to contact Kenny for resolution/replacement? That was from back in 2006 so hard to say what the situation was. Don't get me wrong the part did look bad, and I had an issue with KB myself a couple years ago so I'm just curious?

I read thru some of that thread and their were also quite a number of post's supporting Kenny in there. I've got some of his stuff under my car with no issues. I was however sold a Radiator that was supposed to fit my car that did not. That was manufactured for Kenny by Fluidyne.

 

[Norm Peterson]

I only posted it as it was in my email and I didn't really pay attention to that. All I can say is watch it, either you'll like it or you won't. People who are in the live conversation are liking it. He had a much better presentation today, think he's getting more comfortable with it.

If that's an exact quote from KB's email - and I have no reason to doubt that it is - then it's more than enough reason to question just about everything he claims.

I'm not trying to say that everything he might say is that far wrong, only that when some of it is as far off the mark as that line in your email you should be approaching all of what he says (and has said) with a good deal of skepticism.


FWIW, that's not the first time KB has claimed something that suggests he gets confused about what certain rear suspension components actually do. Took me less than a minute in Mathis' Mustang Performance Handbook to find another example.

As a structural guy, what I find scary is that people who don't know much about chassis and suspension - beyond what the parts you can buy are called - will take him at his word.


Norm

 

[JJ427R]

The email is actually put out by his assistant Cari, I'm guessing he had nothing to do with it, but I agree that should be be checked better before sending it. Can I ask did you watch any of the videos or are you just scrutinizing the messages? Wondering what you thought of the info he gave as you have made no comment on that yet?

 

[stkjock]

And u know that cuz.... this is ur 3rd post?
Troll.

Doesn’t make him wrong.....

 

[Norm Peterson]

The email is actually put out by his assistant Cari, I'm guessing he had nothing to do with it, but I agree that should be be checked better before sending it. Can I ask did you watch any of the videos or are you just scrutinizing the messages? Wondering what you thought of the info he gave as you have made no comment on that yet?

Yes. Here's what I posted in your other, loosely-related thread. I actually went into watching it with an open mind. I came away disappointed.

Stumbling and being ill-at-ease on camera I can deal with. But he hardly ever came out with anything in-depth enough to make me sit up and take notice. Maybe it'll get better - I hope for those concerned that it does get better, actually.

and before that, this . . .

Either way, he was all over the place. Maybe that's the format for his series, but I found it hard to follow when it felt like every sub-topic was left hanging.

I'm told that fb is like that in general, being more "sound bites" in nature and quickly moving on to the next thing.

I had assumed that you would have remembered at least a little from those posts (wishful thinking on my part). But I'm (slowly) realizing that your "discussion technique" tends to be one of casting blame every time you disagree with something.


Norm

 

[JJ427R]

I had assumed that you would have remembered at least a little from those posts (wishful thinking on my part). But I'm (slowly) realizing that your "discussion technique" tends to be one of casting blame every time you disagree with something.

How am I casting blame on anyone? I only asked you to explain what you thought of the videos? I have not disagreed on anything on this thread, In fact I agreed with you on the email above that it should have been looked at better.

I just don't understand why you feel the need to throw out statements like this, it's similar to the statement you made to me and a couple others previously of having "placebo effect" just because at that time we didn't agree with you. It should be ok to disagree without this kind of shit and name calling.

 

[Norm Peterson]

How am I casting blame on anyone? I only asked you to explain what you thought of the videos?

I had already provided that information. Twice. What I thought then wasn't going to change now just because this is a different thread.

Anyway, to imply that I might not have watched any of the videos is to cast blame [that I hadn't watched any of the videos]. As was going on to say that I was only scrutinizing a message [presumably for something to argue over]. FWIW, that one particular line in the message stuck out like a sore thumb, and I really couldn't help seeing it. You should have spotted it yourself before posting it, especially after watching his video (didn't he actually mention 'Watts link' in conjunction with 'Panhard bar' . . . that's certainly what I remember as he flew right through the matter, full speed ahead).

It's clear that you don't share my skepticism over things that KB has said, posted, or used in his advertising. Equally clear that you don't think very highly of an engineering outlook (plenty of evidence of that in various threads) or a reasoned approach to what might be happening on the subjective side. Disparage that approach at the risk that there are people who will bite back.


There really was no need to drag any of that "placebo effect" mess over here even indirectly, so all I'm going to say here is that it was your term, not mine (I looked).


Norm

 

[JJ427R]

If that's an exact quote from KB's email - and I have no reason to doubt that it is - then it's more than enough reason to question just about everything he claims.
I'm not trying to say that everything he might say is that far wrong, only that when some of it is as far off the mark as that line in your email you should be approaching all of what he says (and has said) with a good deal of skepticism.
FWIW, that's not the first time KB has claimed something that suggests he gets confused about what certain rear suspension components actually do. Took me less than a minute in Mathis' Mustang Performance Handbook to find another example.
As a structural guy, what I find scary is that people who don't know much about chassis and suspension - beyond what the parts you can buy are called - will take him at his word.

I'm not trying to argue with you here Norm, I'm trying to have a civil discussion. I did not imply that you had not watched the video as you had not posted about that, all you said was this. You made no mention at all here of what was in the video.

It's clear that you don't share my skepticism over things that KB has said, posted, or used in his advertising. Equally clear that you don't think very highly of an engineering outlook (plenty of evidence of that in various threads) or a reasoned approach to what might be happening on the subjective side. Disparage that approach at the risk that there are people who will bite back.

I have made no comments at all in this thread regarding any of this. I can't help that you read way more into it than what I was asking. You are taking what has been said in other threads and bleeding it over to this thread. I only asked what you though of the videos? I had no intentions of starting any arguments over it, or coming up against your opinions, I have not done that at all in this thread. I have made no mention at all here of your engineering background. I was just curious on your thoughts of the videos and that's all.

There really was no need to drag any of that "placebo effect" mess over here even indirectly, so all I'm going to say here is that it was your term, not mine (I looked).

You are dead wrong there. I was not the one to bring up that term, I fucking hate that term so you should really go back and look a little better. That was you and someone else on that thread who brought that term to life, not me. It was directed towards myself and Pentalab, and I can go find it if I need to! Don't tell me not to drag in stuff from other threads when that is exactly what you are doing in this one. Very hypocritical don't you think? Again you can't seem to have a normal discussion without throwing out accusations and bullshit statements.

 

[Norm Peterson]

I did not imply that you had not watched the video as you had not posted about that, all you said was this. You made no mention at all here of what was in the video.

You mean you really did forget what I specifically said about one of those videos in the other thread?

I was not the one to bring up that term, I fucking hate that term so you should really go back and look a little better.

Like I said in a PM, I'll give you that it wasn't you who first brought the term into play. But you did run with it a couple of times afterward, and I never used it at all except as it showed up in a quote taken from one of your posts.

Don't tell me not to drag in stuff from other threads when that is exactly what you are doing in this one. Very hypocritical don't you think?

We both know you weren't going to take my word for it [that I'd already commented on a KB video]. Not for the purposes of this thread.


Norm

 

[JJ427R]

You mean you really did forget what I specifically said about one of those videos in the other thread?

Correct, I thought you had only commented on my post.

Like I said in a PM, I'll give you that it wasn't you who first brought the term into play. But you did run with it a couple of times afterward, and I never used it at all except as it showed up in a quote taken from one of your posts.

I commented as well on this in a pm so I'll not comment on it here.

We both know you weren't going to take my word for it [that I'd already commented on a KB video]. Not for the purposes of this thread.

That is not true at all. I was not going to respond at all, I was only curious on your thoughts. Don't go putting words in my mouth. I no longer care.