Supercharge your GT or Cobra?

[Riptide]

Probably the LS1 mod.

lol

 

[Grabber]

For the same money I too can make 600 whp in a lighter, more compact package. So what? You've got this idea that swapping a engine is this massively expensive, complicated thing..it isn't.

Once the internals are the same, the only difference is the heads. The 4V heads enjoy a very marginal advantage over heads with one less valve. I think that says a lot about the strides Ford made in design (two cams and 4 valves barely beat one cam and 3 valves).

All Mustangs from 1979-2004 are based on the same platform, and it is antiquated, not to mention weak and flexible.

I don't have to own a Cobra to know that aluminum blocks are better than iron blocks, that well thought out solid axle suspension is lighter and stonger than an expensive and breakable IRS, that chassis stiffeness is a good thing, and inside and out the S197 is more visually appealing.

The only thing from the Cobra I wouldn't mind is the tranmission, bent nail shifter and all.

It's because you don't own a cobra, and only base your facts on hear-say of what you read.

I go from actually experience, of modding my own cars.

Also, it's more than marginal, and you are comparing an older 4V technology, against Fords new more advanced technology. Guess technology isn't really all that is is made out to be from all the hype.

Also, Wow, you are talking a whopping 100-120 lbs in weight. Not enough to make up for the stronger powerband Cobra's have.

I can swap to a solid axle for about 900 bucks, and knock off 100lbs.

Also, where do you get that an M112 is small? Are you retarded? It's about a 2.0L blower, from the factory. Where as you dump 5+K on an AFTERMARKET BLOWER, and BARELY make the same power on similar boost.

I run barely 12 PSI, and make 460+ RWHP on a stock inefficient blower. What happens when I drop 4K on an aftermarket blower?

You are arguing that with the right amount of money, the 3V is faster. That is pretty stupid dude.

ANY CAR can be made fast. It shows how good a car is when it makes big power with little money. We all know 3V cars are not cheap to mod. That is obvious.

Also, you are putting a lot of your biased opinions and likes and dislikes into this, which again, is stupid.

I don't like having a girl clutch in a car, sorry. I don't like a transmission that doesn't give you the feel you are in a gear, sorry.


So, don't knock a car you think is slow, ugly, and a waste of time. There are plenty of flaws in the 3V. Also, the rear end on the 3V is not bullet proof, nor is the IRS. however, guess you have never heard of KB Cobras cutting 1.5 60fts on a bone stock IRS repeatedly. Nor have you heard of GNXS larry that has a Whipple Cobra, making over 600 RWHP, and has over 90K miles with the whipple on, and hundreds of hundreds of track passes on the weak IRS, and his shit is still running strong. Show me a 3V that can put down 600 RWHP on stock heads, stock interals, transmission, etc. and have that many track passes and miles. I doubt there are many, and GNXS' car is not an exception, there are many like it. Cobra's were purpose built for abuse, the 3V platform wasn't.

Also, you don't consider 3300 bucks for a shortblock, and another 5-6K on a blower a lot of money? ok rich guy.

When I spend nearly 10k on my Cobra, I will be making over 700 RWHP SAFELY ON THE STOCK WEAK IRS AND WEAK AND GAY HEADS, AND THE ANTIQUE CHASSIS.

Have a nice day fanboy. 3V > Everything, and is made by god himself.

I've always been under the impression the rods were the weak link w/regard to the stock setup.

So people with an aluminator but otherwise stock setup have ticking time bombs on their hands over 550whp?

The rods in what, an 03/04 Cobra motor?

Nah, the rods are good to over 800 RWHP. That has been proven by about a dozen nutsjobs, willing to push the stock internals that high. Driven on the street, and tracked no problem.

They say the weak link is the Pistons, which are only good for about 600 RWHP. However, the pistons on the Terminators have seen much higher without failing. These motors are built for abuse and punishment, and only takes a few thousand bucks to get good power and a fast overall car.

So, 6K for a blower on a 3V only making 450-470 RWHP is cheap? LMMFAO

For 6K, I can have an already strong motor, and 600 RWHP. You can't have that on a 3V. You need to build the motor, so to be fair, 3K for a built motor. Now, you need F/I. That is at least 5-6K. Now, you need a few other supporting mods, a new transmission, or a built transmission, and some tuning(right, because every 3V owner can build and tune their own car, go figure) and you are already in the hole for about 10K, just to make 600 RWHP? That is it? Not exactly a good investment, for a 600 RWHP car. That is quite a bit of coin. Maybe not to Vapour, since 10k is nothing to him.

 

[Riptide]

I was actually speaking of the 3v motor. I didn't even realize people had to replace the springs which is good to know. Probably because I haven't followed enough build threads and am learning. The stock 3v heads should be good for 600 AFAIK.

OP: Listen to Grabber. If whp/$ is the priority then you're making a mistake getting an s197.

 

[Bingo]

As long as we're comparing apples to dildos, why not buy an old Fox body for a couple grand, slam a bored and stroked 351w into it, attach a C6 and a 9" and kick the Cobra's and the S197's asses for just about the same amount of money? Lighter, powerful-er, faster, cheaper...geeee...how can you go wrong?

 

[Riptide]

Because at least the 03/04 cobra looks pretty good?

Boxbodys are ugly.

 

[Grabber]

As long as we're comparing apples to dildos, why not buy an old Fox body for a couple grand, slam a bored and stroked 351w into it, attach a C6 and a 9" and kick the Cobra's and the S197's asses for just about the same amount of money? Lighter, powerful-er, faster, cheaper...geeee...how can you go wrong?

Exactly!

But, it seems because the 4v is still ahead of the game compared to the oh so precious 3V, some people are upset that an old car is still a stronger initial platform to make fast.

Yeah, an old fox would do the trick for performance. I think what is happening though, people are factoring their personal likes and dislikes on new and used cars, and the looks on the cars.

I personally like the look better on the 3V, and the interior, etc.

However, I did not buy my Cobra for pretty looks, and a comfy interior. I bought it to go fast with the least amount of money possible, and I am not some rich idiot that can afford to drop 10k into a car, and hope to beat a car with less than half of that money in it I am on a budget, and have a nice, rare, strong and quick car for what I paid and have invested.

I bet this guy will even say the 3V is better than the current 5.4 4V GT500 motor. LOL

 

[Bingo]

Exactly!

But, it seems because the 4v is still ahead of the game compared to the oh so precious 3V, some people are upset that an old car is still a stronger initial platform to make fast.

Yeah, an old fox would do the trick for performance. I think what is happening though, people are factoring their personal likes and dislikes on new and used cars, and the looks on the cars.

I personally like the look better on the 3V, and the interior, etc.

However, I did not buy my Cobra for pretty looks, and a comfy interior. I bought it to go fast with the least amount of money possible, and I am not some rich idiot that can afford to drop 10k into a car, and hope to beat a car with less than half of that money in it I am on a budget, and have a nice, rare, strong and quick car for what I paid and have invested.

I bet this guy will even say the 3V is better than the current 5.4 4V GT500 motor. LOL

I've driven the 99-04 styles, and while yes, it's a Mustang, and yes, it has lots of potential, it's just not very comfortable for me. I'm 6'3" and it just doesn't fit me right. The ride isn't that nice either (I haven't had the chance to drive an 03/04 Cobra - does the IRS make a big difference in ride quality?).

I'd love to have a Cobra and I'd love to have a 30,000 sqft mansion and a Learjet...but I guess it all comes down to a cost/benefit analysis. For a DD, I can't think of a better platform than the S197. It also has huge power/speed potential, but it costs more to get there. I will sacrifice speed/power to drive in comfort and have a cool looking car that's still pretty damn fast.

If I want a race car, I'd pick up a Fox. To me, the Cobra is stuck in the middle and it's probably not something I'd look to obtain.

 

[Grabber]

I've driven the 99-04 styles, and while yes, it's a Mustang, and yes, it has lots of potential, it's just not very comfortable for me. I'm 6'3" and it just doesn't fit me right. The ride isn't that nice either (I haven't had the chance to drive an 03/04 Cobra - does the IRS make a big difference in ride quality?).

I'd love to have a Cobra and I'd love to have a 30,000 sqft mansion and a Learjet...but I guess it all comes down to a cost/benefit analysis. For a DD, I can't think of a better platform than the S197. It also has huge power/speed potential, but it costs more to get there. I will sacrifice speed/power to drive in comfort and have a cool looking car that's still pretty damn fast.

If I want a race car, I'd pick up a Fox. To me, the Cobra is stuck in the middle and it's probably not something I'd look to obtain.

I suppose. I DD my 500+ HP Cobra, get good gas mileage, etc.

I cannot say my particular Cobra is a better ride, because of all the suspension upgrades, and bracing it has. But, yet, the IRS is typically a more comfortable ride than an SRA.

Also, both cars have potential. Right off the box, the Cobra is faster. A Stock Cobra is a bit slower than a blown 3V. A bolt-on Cobra is just as fast as a Blown 3V (raced plenty, and trust me, it's not just about 100lbs of weight in favor of the 3v, and 10 more HP, lol) Powerband and driving has everything to do with it.

Between other features, it's up to the buyer on what they prefer. You can still look good in a Cobra. to say look good and be fast at the same time is a put-down to an already faster cobra, and that they are ugly.

Anyhow, we have gone way off-topic from what the OP wanted. I think it's been settled.

PS - You make it sound like an 03/04 Cobra is expensive? 21K for a car with 13k miles on the clock is expensive? Hell, used GT's barely go for that.

Both are very similar cars, and very different. One is purpose built, the other is made for the average joe to drive around town comfortably. End of story.

 

[Riptide]

What's wrong with you guys?

I look good in ANY car.

 

[Grabber]

What's wrong with you guys?

I look good in ANY car.

Yeah, last time I checked 03/04 Cobra's are ugly, and S197's look hardcore, even with 16 year old girls, and 60 year old men driving them( I don't think I have ever seen a 16 year old girl driving a Terminator, but, a lot driving a 3V. However, I've seen plenty of old guys driving Terminators)

I keed I keed.

 

[Bingo]

PS - You make it sound like an 03/04 Cobra is expensive? 21K for a car with 13k miles on the clock is expensive? Hell, used GT's barely go for that.

Both are very similar cars, and very different. One is purpose built, the other is made for the average joe to drive around town comfortably. End of story.

I was saying I'd like to have one in addition to an S197. They aren't too expensive...I'm actually surprised to see 'em priced in the low 20s.

 

[Grabber]

I was saying I'd like to have one in addition to an S197. They aren't too expensive...I'm actually surprised to see 'em priced in the low 20s.

Yeah, true that.

Still kinda odd that such an antique, with such an outdated chassis system, that still beats the competition with newer and better technology, is still that high in price.

I wonder why GT's are going for like 18-19k with 40-50k miles? I mean, the 3V's are God-like beings/machines.

 

[1FastS197]

The only disadvantage to me to the 03/04 cobra is the irs... not weight but i with a pullie and a 75 shot off the line with a drag radial and they can't handle it... but as someone stated you can change to a solid axle in a few hours and fairly cheap... if i wanted a fast street car i wouldn't exclude the cobra but i could make a 94/95 SN95 or fox much faster for CHEAP! this also depends on what everyones opinion is of a street car... mine is if it can be driven legally on the road and fill up at the gas station its a street car...

 

[Bingo]

Still kinda odd that such an antique, with such an outdated chassis system, that still beats the competition with newer and better technology, is still that high in price.

I'm actually surprised it's that low...there aren't many 03/04 Cobras around...I figure they should be mid-to-upper 20s.

 

[1FastS197]

Probably the LS1 mod.

lol

boat anchor!

 

[Grabber]

The only disadvantage to me to the 03/04 cobra is the irs... not weight but i with a pullie and a 75 shot off the line with a drag radial and they can't handle it... but as someone stated you can change to a solid axle in a few hours and fairly cheap... if i wanted a fast street car i wouldn't exclude the cobra but i could make a 94/95 SN95 or fox much faster for CHEAP! this also depends on what everyones opinion is of a street car... mine is if it can be driven legally on the road and fill up at the gas station its a street car...

The IRS cannot handle the launch of a pulley and a 75 shot? ROFL

Dude, have you ever seen one in person not handle it? There are dozens of Cobras making 500+ TQ cutting 16 60fts on slicks and the IRS is fine.

The weak link is WHEEL HOP which in turns breaks the half shafts. The girdle is strong, and the CV joints are strong. When you have a bad driver, and lots of hop, the shaft CAN, not ALWAYS, breaks.

There are 600+ RWHP Cobra's making more power than what a 75 shot pulley Cobra makes launching harder than balls off the line and are not breaking anything. Come on dude, be realistic. The IRS is not some weak POS. Just because there have been a few incidents, does not mean that is how it always will be.

 

[302]

05-09 Mustangs are old news as well...

 

[Grabber]

I'm actually surprised it's that low...there aren't many 03/04 Cobras around...I figure they should be mid-to-upper 20s.

For mid 20's, I can get a KB or Whipple Cobra, with a lot of other mods.

Hell, there are two TT Cobras with built motors, going for 25-26K with 20-25K miles mint with no issues in Chicago alone. Each of those TT Cobras are making 600-650 RWHP on low boost. They hold their value for some stupid reason. Dumb antiques and slow POS cars. Geez.

 

[1FastS197]

The IRS cannot handle the launch of a pulley and a 75 shot? ROFL

Dude, have you ever seen one in person not handle it? There are dozens of Cobras making 500+ TQ cutting 16 60fts on slicks and the IRS is fine.

The weak link is WHEEL HOP which in turns breaks the half shafts. The girdle is strong, and the CV joints are strong. When you have a bad driver, and lots of hop, the shaft CAN, not ALWAYS, breaks.

There are 600+ RWHP Cobra's making more power than what a 75 shot pulley Cobra makes launching harder than balls off the line and are not breaking anything. Come on dude, be realistic. The IRS is not some weak POS. Just because there have been a few incidents, does not mean that is how it always will be.

yes i have seen them break on that, that white vert broke on a 75 shot and pullie... i never said it was a weak POS... the yellow car that i posted has IRS BUT its the level five half shafts...

 

[Grabber]