Drag racing Vs Autocross

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Lately I have been trying to decide between the two and it is a hard decision. I am leaning towards drag racing but its only because i know alot more about adding power to the car than getting the right suspension kit to autocross. I am not asking for what is the better thing to do. I just need to know what I need to learn about autocross so I can make a better decision. Is there a sticky with beginner information? What brands are the leading brands?

I just feel like I know alot more about drag racing than I do about autocross. I feel as if I am not being fair with my self since I know less about autocross. Can anyone enlighten me :)

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Hey thanks for the link
haha thats funny and I will do.


by the way for the people who are going to say search I have :) I have tried learning as much as possible with the search function.
 

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Drag racing is fun for 13 seconds or less, then you wait for 10-40 mins to make another run.

Autocross is fun for 40 seconds or less, then you wait 10-40 mins to make another run.

Open Track is fun for 15-30 minutes at a time, then you get an hour or two break to come down from your adrenaline high. :)
 

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I was at event last month where the track, Mosport, was open from 9:00 to 5:00 with an hour off for lunch and you could run as much as you wanted.

I had to pace myself and only did about 30 minutes on and 30 minutes off!

http://www.mosport.com/trackmap.htm
 

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But what are the basic components of autocross? Like what are good brands and what type of suspension will be mid end for autocross/daily driving.
 

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Drag racing = Get the launch right and make the shifts. ( harder than you think! ) over and wait...... Get it right or wait .... again...
Trackday/Autocross = Several opportunities to accelerate, brake, turn and get your lines just right over and over again... then wait..and plan.. and do it all over again!!
 

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Do you autocross with other cars because I know I would never drive my car around a course with other idiots racing me.

Drag racing is relatively safe as long as you can handle your power and you're not running a 8 second car or some retarded high school kid in daddys 10 second vette.
 

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I know the difference in them guys. I would like to know more about basic modifications on the s197 to conquer the corners any mid end kits that are good for autocross and DD. What are the most basic things to do to your car for this kind of sport. What are the brands to go to and the brands to stay away from (because of quality).
 

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I do all of them. There are elements about each I like as much as the next. Open track is probably the most intense, but each one requires specific driving techniques, and challenges that test you, your car, and the components. I like having a car that can do each one well.
 

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Wow, so that's what happens when you ask a question towards the end of the day...you don't get an answer.

First, given your professed ignorance on what equipment to run, I'm going to ask for a clarification first. When you say "autocross" you should be talking about running a short closed circuit loop (typically coned off in a large parking lot or something) for timed competition. That's why folks mention the whole 40 seconds of fun. That is completely different from open tracking at a road course, where you'll be out for 15-30 minutes at a time on a dedicated track for road racing. The demands on the car for each are quite different. For example, since you really don't heat up the brakes in autocross, you run very different brake pad compounds than you would in open track events (and brake ducts, while nearly mandatory in the later are kind of superfluous in the former). So which are you looking to do or wondering about equipment wise?

Now my actual answer as best I can w/what I know of your question. Brakes, seat time, and tires: in that order. See, to my mind this is a classic "drag racer" approach to cars. First question: what equipment should I get? The first question to a "driver" is "How can I drive better?" Damn, that whole stopping thing is nice, so I suppose we have to get that sorted out as a necessary precursor to driving, but that's it. If you want to go either autocross or open track, get your brakes sorted out reasonably well (it doesn't take much, but is different for each sport), then get your derriere out on track. Drive. You'll be much faster for it (unlike drag racing, where to go significantly faster you pretty much are stuck looking for the equipment to do it for you).

In a short while, you'll probably be asking more of your tires. So that's a quick second (ok, technically third...). I would recommend against jumping into the R-comps, because a street tire is going to demand more skill from you, thus improving your actual driving skills (instead of artificially making you faster, only to wonder why you plateau shortly after). There are a host of good street tires. Sam's list from a year or so ago: Toyo R1R, Bridgestone RE-01R (now the RE-11), Falken RT-615, Yokohama Neova, Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Spec. These all rock.

Since I mentioned Sam, call him, tell him your interest, then listen. He's going to first want to know what you really want to do, so get that squared away in your head before you call. Then he's probably going to mentioned dampers (see the recent thread). Of course, he's right. I didn't put it in my top three, because I was answering in a "bare minimum" way, and also trying to make a point about the different mentalities behind the drag racer and the driver (you know him...the guy who actually turns the steering wheel...uses the brakes for more than slowing down...). Anyway, shocks/springs are probably a very close tie for tires, and easily trump tires if you're already on some nice street rubber.

This sub-forum is filled with drivers. So we're biased. But cut us some slack for our bias, it's only because we're better. :beerdrink: But don't take my word for it...get your brakes on and come on out and play! You'll be a believer soon enough brother. Amen!

-j
 

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Philostang, unfortunately, I wish I had the insight you were looking for so I could help you out, but, I have only learned the ways of the 1320. I hope pcdrj answered all of your questions!
 

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I like both… and open track also. I try not to limit myself to any one form of motorsports.
 

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Philostang, unfortunately, I wish I had the insight you were looking for so I could help you out, but, I have only learned the ways of the 1320. I hope pcdrj answered all of your questions!

LOL. Really not much more to be said as Philostang said it well. Funny thing about road racing is novices are eager to mod and experienced drivers will talk about seat time. We all go through it. Talking about seat time is boring but shopping for upgrades is exciting. A basic brake pad/rotor/fluid upgrade is all that's needed to get through a track day.
 
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I took my 05 Mustang when it was 5 months old to it's first autocross event, it was bone stock in every way except for window tint. I had been doing autocross for 9 years at that point with previous year mustangs.

Lets just say that that car is well designed and it surprised many of those in attendance at that event at how fast and nimble it was (for a fairly large car). In short, you may not be the fastest, but you will be far from the slowest and if it is the first time autocrossing you will be having probably the most fun of anyone there!
 

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Two differn't worlds... I respect both in great ways. Try both then decide I guess, is really the only way to choose lol
 

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I'm definitely biased. But here are some things to consider.

1. You get more seat time autocrossing than drag racing.

2. During that seat time you are doing a lot more because you aren't just trying to launch and go straight. You are trying to keep BOTH ends at the limit of traction the entire time, and do it while turning and being tossed around and using all 3 pedals.

3. Driving a car setup to turn is fun all the time, because it's useable on the road everyday. A drag setup car is no fun to actually drive, and frankly can be dangerous if you try to drive it spiritedly at all.

4. You can setup a handling car to launch pretty well, but you can't make a drag car turn well.

5. If you get hooked there are types of autocross called ProSolo's that combine autox and drag (we use mirror image courses and a drag tree, so you drag race for 2-300 feet than tear off into an autox course. That's a lot of fun and my favorite.
 

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Wow, so that's what happens when you ask a question towards the end of the day...you don't get an answer.

First, given your professed ignorance on what equipment to run, I'm going to ask for a clarification first. When you say "autocross" you should be talking about running a short closed circuit loop (typically coned off in a large parking lot or something) for timed competition. That's why folks mention the whole 40 seconds of fun. That is completely different from open tracking at a road course, where you'll be out for 15-30 minutes at a time on a dedicated track for road racing. The demands on the car for each are quite different. For example, since you really don't heat up the brakes in autocross, you run very different brake pad compounds than you would in open track events (and brake ducts, while nearly mandatory in the later are kind of superfluous in the former). So which are you looking to do or wondering about equipment wise?

Now my actual answer as best I can w/what I know of your question. Brakes, seat time, and tires: in that order. See, to my mind this is a classic "drag racer" approach to cars. First question: what equipment should I get? The first question to a "driver" is "How can I drive better?" Damn, that whole stopping thing is nice, so I suppose we have to get that sorted out as a necessary precursor to driving, but that's it. If you want to go either autocross or open track, get your brakes sorted out reasonably well (it doesn't take much, but is different for each sport), then get your derriere out on track. Drive. You'll be much faster for it (unlike drag racing, where to go significantly faster you pretty much are stuck looking for the equipment to do it for you).

In a short while, you'll probably be asking more of your tires. So that's a quick second (ok, technically third...). I would recommend against jumping into the R-comps, because a street tire is going to demand more skill from you, thus improving your actual driving skills (instead of artificially making you faster, only to wonder why you plateau shortly after). There are a host of good street tires. Sam's list from a year or so ago: Toyo R1R, Bridgestone RE-01R (now the RE-11), Falken RT-615, Yokohama Neova, Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Spec. These all rock.

Since I mentioned Sam, call him, tell him your interest, then listen. He's going to first want to know what you really want to do, so get that squared away in your head before you call. Then he's probably going to mentioned dampers (see the recent thread). Of course, he's right. I didn't put it in my top three, because I was answering in a "bare minimum" way, and also trying to make a point about the different mentalities behind the drag racer and the driver (you know him...the guy who actually turns the steering wheel...uses the brakes for more than slowing down...). Anyway, shocks/springs are probably a very close tie for tires, and easily trump tires if you're already on some nice street rubber.

This sub-forum is filled with drivers. So we're biased. But cut us some slack for our bias, it's only because we're better. :beerdrink: But don't take my word for it...get your brakes on and come on out and play! You'll be a believer soon enough brother. Amen!

-j

This is all well said. I am barely starting to look into autocrossing (open parking lot with cones). So what type of brake system should I look into that wont burn a hole in my wallet. I see what your saying about the whole drag racing perspective. I came in here wondering what is the best equipment there is to drive better. When it really matters on the driver(seat time). Now that I understand. I just still feel kinda lost still. I feel as if my suspension on my car wont be able to handle that kind of maneuvering stock.
 
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