hydroboost for your S197

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Ok here it is. disclaimer: this is the way i did it, you guys may do it another way, as a matter of fact I will now use the factory high pressure power steering hose to give it a factory look.I have 3 vehicles at my disposal so i took my time doing this,you guys with D/D should be able to do it in 6 to 8 hrs.Measure the length of the hoses several times before you cut them,also make sure ALL of the fitting are tight before starting the engine,don't ask me why.

Step one:Remove the A/C accumulator from driver side fender,two bolts hold it,and push it up on top of the strut tower.

Step two:Master Cylinder,it must be removed from the booster as there is no room to move it forward.Remove the brake lines first and then remove the two bolts from the booster.

Step three:Now go inside the vehicle,and push driver seat as far back as it will go to give you room to get under the dashboard.Now remove the speed activation switch that is attached to the top of the brake pedal by turning it counterclockwise 45*.The switch is blue in color.
Next remove the stoplight switch right below the speed activation switch by turning it clockwise 45*.The switch is black.Once you remove the switches then you remove the four nuts that are holding the vacuum booster. Now disconect the booster bracket from the brake pedal.Don't forget to remove the vacuum hose in the engine side.

Step four:There is a hole out of the four holes on the firewall that holds the booster,top left hole as you look forward,that must be drilled to 3/8".This is done from the engine side,this is the only drilling that you will do_Once this is done you are ready to install the Hydrobooster.You will need a helper to hold the hydrobooster in place till you tighten the four nuts inside.Reattach the hydrobooster to the brake pedal,and replace the stop light and speed deactivation switch.DO NOT PUSH THE BRAKE PEDAL YET!!!!

Step five:attach the M/C to the hydrobooster by inserting the passenger side bolt only as you need to turn the M/C towards the passenger side and install the front brake line (A 45* adapter will solve this problem) We don't have much room that's why we do this.Now turn the M/C back to it's normal position and attach the other bolt to the booster.Do this only by hand,now place the rear brake line in the M/C.Once you finish tighten all connections,nuts,brake lines,etc.

Step six:Remove the high pressure line from the power steering pump and let it drain,remove the other end of the hose from the rack&pinion,also remove the cooler/return line next to the high pressure line.They are both held by the same bracket.You get a new one with the kit.Remove the return hose from the Power Steering reservoir and cut 2" off,that is where your "T"from the hydrobooster goes. Now start replacing all of your fittings that came with the kit,power steering pump,rack&pinion,hydrobooster inlet,and outlet and hydrobooster return line going to the "T" at the reservoir.Now measure all your hoses and cut them( don't forget to measure twice before cutting)Now install the fitting on the hoses (keep them away from the headers)Once all of your hoses are installed fill your power steering reservoir,make sure your front wheels are off the ground.Turn your wheels left/right lock to lock about 20 to 25 times to bleed the air out while making sure that the reservoir is full and you have no leaks.Turn the engine on for about 5 seconds and check the reservoir make sure is full.Run the engine for about a minute turning the wheels left/right several times,recheck for leaks,add fluid if needed.

Step seven:bleed your brakes,start at the right rear,l/rear,f/right,and f/left;do this till there is no air coming out.I did it 3 times,all the way around.Now start the engine and test the brakes before you MOVE THE CAR!! Check system for leacks ,if none found take the car for a ride around the block to test the brakes.Make sure to wear your seatbealt till you get use to having stopping power.

Step eight:A/C system,since your master cylinder has been moved forward about 3",your A/C lines must be re-routed behind the M/C.I took the car to a shop that i know and they did the following.The A/C accumulator sits inside a plastic cover that is held by four push clamps,they removed them and turned the accumulator to the right about 3",the outlet and inlet are now facing the passenger side.They also cut about an 1"around the top to fit the new orientation of the accumulator.The low pressure hose,the one that goes behind the engine required no modification.The high pressure hose,the one going to the A/C compressor had to be removed from the car as it will be heated and turned 45* angle to be able to go behind the M/C.( i have no pictures as i forgot to take the camera )

I know that it sounds like it is a hard job and a pain in the butt,but belive me is not that bad.I am a believer that if you want to go fast,you also need to stop fast,i am happy with the results,my brakes are great.If you need more info call Butch at 561-290-4918,he build the system from scratch.

Tallon Hydraulics
36607 S.Ellis rd
Drummond Island,Mi 49726
 

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maybe i stepped in late but, what was the point of going hydroboost? low vaccum with agressive cams? i know the 99-04 had it.. but i had a 96 chevy astro that, when both the steering wheel and brakes where applied in an aggresive manor (such as drunk parallel parking in a hurry,) the brakes won and the steering wheel slipped outta yer hand..?
 

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i'm a little lost and confused myself. would you mind explaining why this is good to have? as far as stopping, 6pot calipers and rotor upgrade? haha, i may just be too lost...
 

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maybe i stepped in late but, what was the point of going hydroboost? low vaccum with agressive cams? i know the 99-04 had it.. but i had a 96 chevy astro that, when both the steering wheel and brakes where applied in an aggresive manor (such as drunk parallel parking in a hurry,) the brakes won and the steering wheel slipped outta yer hand..?


I don't know what DUI has to do with the hydrobooster,or a Chevy in a Mustang forum,but yes low vacuum (5") forced me to look for an alternate source for better braking.I love to go fast,but i also want to stop fast.This system is great and easy to do,no regrets,have more room and when i touch the brake pedal i stop on a dime something i was lacking before.
 

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I don't know what DUI has to do with the hydrobooster,or a Chevy in a Mustang forum,but yes low vacuum (5") forced me to look for an alternate source for better braking.I love to go fast,but i also want to stop fast.This system is great and easy to do,no regrets,have more room and when i touch the brake pedal i stop on a dime something i was lacking before.


hahaha i lol'ed

i think i would probably go with a hydroboost over a classic vaccum can
 

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i'm a little lost and confused myself. would you mind explaining why this is good to have? as far as stopping, 6pot calipers and rotor upgrade? haha, i may just be too lost...


To properly work,the vacuum booster requires a minimum of 18" of vacuum,due to Muthathumpers from compcams i only had 5" of vacuum not enough to safely drive in traffic.Electric pumps and vacuum reservoirs are to bulky and noisy to place in the engine compartment hence the Hydroboost,which Ford had in the Mustangs from 1996 to 2004.So i reach out toTallon hydraulic out of Michigan and they were gracious enough to build the system without the car in front of them.The system is great just like factory.Too bad that Ford quit making them with the S197.You can have six piston calipers front/rear but if you don't have vacuum it's not going to work as good.I have 1,200 lbs of force with the hydrobooster vs 800 lbs with the vacuum booster,you do the math.
 

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yeah matter of fact i'm kinda sold on the plan.. i've got no vacuum issues with my FRPP hot rods, but like you say, i think you might win some clampin force with a hyrdoboost.

now that you've got it installed, do the drunk chevy test for me would ya?

spin the piss outta that wheel from lock to lock, at a stop, at idle RPM, and jam the brake during that time and see if it doesn't stop you from turnin the wheel
 

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yeah matter of fact i'm kinda sold on the plan.. i've got no vacuum issues with my FRPP hot rods, but like you say, i think you might win some clampin force with a hyrdoboost.

now that you've got it installed, do the drunk chevy test for me would ya?

spin the piss outta that wheel from lock to lock, at a stop, at idle RPM, and jam the brake during that time and see if it doesn't stop you from turnin the wheel



LOL,will do it tomorrow and let you know.:bigbeer:
 

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LOL,will do it tomorrow and let you know.:bigbeer:

hahaha yeah please do. as i alluded to in a previous post, that chevy astro would take the wheel outta yer hand when you stabbed the brakes on a labor intensive steering wheel maneuver
 

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