3 #8's at one east coast dealership.

[Lupo222]

The average Joe isn't going to push their car to the point of having a piston problem. If it's not happening to those who do push their cars, it's not going to happen to those who don't. You're right though, the majority of GT owners leave their cars stock and just drive them. Those are the owners we're simply not seeing coming in to dealerships with problems. Spend 9 hours a day everyday at a Ford dealership like I do and you'll start to get a clear idea of what sort of problems there are or aren't.

Very true. However, your average Joe does have some problems because they figure they can just floor it right off the showroom floor and end up having problems down the road.

Still don't think that will have any significant impact on the #8 deal but only time will tell how the stock piston is gonna fair

 

[pacettr]

The average Joe isn't going to push their car to the point of having a piston problem. If it's not happening to those who do push their cars, it's not going to happen to those who don't. You're right though, the majority of GT owners leave their cars stock and just drive them. Those are the owners we're simply not seeing coming in to dealerships with problems. Spend 9 hours a day everyday at a Ford dealership like I do and you'll start to get a clear idea of what sort of problems there are or aren't.

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[19COBRA93]

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LOL. I don't know how you sales guys do it.

 

[302]

LOL. I don't know how you sales guys do it.

Its easy when you're making the big bucks i guess.

 

[Thereaper]

Very true. However, your average Joe does have some problems because they figure they can just floor it right off the showroom floor and end up having problems down the road.

Still don't think that will have any significant impact on the #8 deal but only time will tell how the stock piston is gonna fair

I drove my 07 GT off the showroom floor like I stole it and continued for 48,000 miles with no problems. I did the same with my 2011 and at 3900 miles I have yet to use any oil and have zero problems. I don't see why I would have problems down the road just because I beat it hard.

 

[mobeydick]

When the 6.0L's started having problems (right from the start), every Ford dealer in the country had 4 of them in their shop. It wasn't a secret. The forums were going crazy with failed stock 6.0's. There wasn't a question in anyone's minds that they were crap. Same with the 6.4's. That video of a brand new 6.4L shooting flames out the exhaust hit Youtube and there was no denying there was a problem.

In this case, the guy I spoke to was more than willing to give me whatever information he had. Why would he have admitted to one, but not the others? We even chatted about all the clutch problems we've seen in the 5.0L's. He said he can't believe they've had so many clutch problems on brand new cars, and actually said Ford needs to pull their head out of their ass when it comes to testing these things so the clutches will hold. You'd think through all that from one Ford dealer employee to another, he would have mentioned anything about multiple failed 5.0's. Yet nothing.

You have the freedom to believe whatever you choose. The fact is, we have yet to see even one confirmed bone stock #8 failure. Yet we've seen numerous failures on tuned cars. Is that pure coincidence? Is it just coincidence that not one of the supposed failed stock 5.0 owners aren't on the forums anywhere? Why doesn't anyone here have a friend of a friend who's had one fail? 3 in one dealership? Maybe there's a gas station around the corner who provided bad fuel. Because if there are 3 in one dealer, there'd be thousands across the country. The fact is, there isn't. I don't know what other convincing proof you need, but it just sounds like you're ignoring the actual facts and holding your breath to cry foul when one does show up.



I agree. Performance oriented people, like those on this forum, will push their cars to the limits, even if they're all stock. So you'd think if there really were a problem, someone right here would have found it. We've seen it with the clutches, the rearends, and various other parts. Nobody's trying to keep that all hush hush.

I still have a hard time believing the STOCK 6.0s were troubled Engines. I have 2, I bought both NEW. Both until very recently were totally stock! The 05 has 155,xxx miles on it and has never been in a shop for any repairs. My 06 has had a few minor issues and recently last week @ 135,xxx miles we put an EGR Delete because of coolant disappearing!. I don’t maintain them any different then I do my 01 7.3 either!

I do know ALL the 6.0s of my friends that were “Tuned” without exception had problems.

BOT: It really looks like the people wanting extreme “Tunes” out of the N/A engines seam to be having problems. That is because those owners want as much performance they can get for the fewest dollars.

I’ve said this before, the new 5.0 is a great platform. The real problem is, is that it is only 302 cubic inches. 302 Cubic inches built for the mass market is only going to produce about 1.5 hppci safely for a long time. It doesn’t matter if GM, Dodge or Ford builds it! There have been a lot of people buy into the hype of the 5.0 being better then larger displacement engines. To some extent it is true the 5.0 is better but the reality is it’s still 302ci. GM or Dodge doesn’t make one stock engine for the masses that makes the same hppci as does the new 5.0. It is almost maxed out from the factory with parts that can be made inexpensively.

 

[KungFuHamster]

now he has created one that blows up if 20-40rwhp is added.

i dont think you were being serious with this statement, but i have seen this very statement repeated several times in all of these "#8" threads.

lets be real...if the blower/turbo cars arent breaking pistons with the addition of over 200 hp, then 20-40 hp isnt even a blip on the radar.

ive also heard multiple times that its the cylinder pressure added with the tunes, timing, etc.
well i hate to say it but a power adder car will make a hell of a lot more cylinder pressure than a N/A car.

my money is still on #8 is a hotter cylinder and when tuners lean the tune out, its a little too lean for #8 and allows excess heat to build in the cylinder resulting in pre-ignition/detonation.

 

[drewzx3]

I still have a hard time believing the STOCK 6.0s were troubled Engines. I have 2, I bought both NEW. Both until very recently were totally stock! The 05 has 155,xxx miles on it and has never been in a shop for any repairs. My 06 has had a few minor issues and recently last week @ 135,xxx miles we put an EGR Delete because of coolant disappearing!. I don’t maintain them any different then I do my 01 7.3 either!

I do know ALL the 6.0s of my friends that were “Tuned” without exception had problems.

BOT: It really looks like the people wanting extreme “Tunes” out of the N/A engines seam to be having problems. That is because those owners want as much performance they can get for the fewest dollars.

I’ve said this before, the new 5.0 is a great platform. The real problem is, is that it is only 302 cubic inches. 302 Cubic inches built for the mass market is only going to produce about 1.5 hppci safely for a long time. It doesn’t matter if GM, Dodge or Ford builds it! There have been a lot of people buy into the hype of the 5.0 being better then larger displacement engines. To some extent it is true the 5.0 is better but the reality is it’s still 302ci. GM or Dodge doesn’t make one stock engine for the masses that makes the same hppci as does the new 5.0. It is almost maxed out from the factory with parts that can be made inexpensively.

My dad has one to with 150,000 miles and no problems.

 

[Lupo222]

I still have a hard time believing the STOCK 6.0s were troubled Engines. I have 2, I bought both NEW. Both until very recently were totally stock! The 05 has 155,xxx miles on it and has never been in a shop for any repairs. My 06 has had a few minor issues and recently last week @ 135,xxx miles we put an EGR Delete because of coolant disappearing!. I don’t maintain them any different then I do my 01 7.3 either!

I do know ALL the 6.0s of my friends that were “Tuned” without exception had problems.

Let me give you the run down of our 6.0's (yes, we have more than 1).

We have an 03 with the 6.0 option, my personal 04 FX4, an 06 FX4, two F-450s with dump beds, an 05 F350 dually FX4, and 2 other 04 F-250s 4x2s.

The 03 has blown the left side injectors 3x's and the right side twice.

My 04 personal has blown all injectors twice, an EGR cooler and a head gasket BEFORE my tune. Yes, I chipped my truck.

Both our dump trucks have blown injectors at least once, and head gaskets twice on one and three times on the other. One blew the turbo.

My 06 has blown the turbo, the injectors once, and one head gasket.

The 4x2's have only had one head gasket, one EGR and 4 injectors (just four, not all 8 four times).

The only truck to have a tune is my 04. The only truck ever to go a mile over 3,000 without an oil change was one of the 4x2's when it was on a service route in North Carolina for 6 months. The only trucks that didn't run synthetic oil were the F-450s.

These trucks are maintained meticulously. Their oil changed normal, their filters all changed normal, and Diesel Kleen was run through them once every 6 months.

Straight pampered trucks for fleet vehicles. You want to talk about Fords biggest F*** up of all time? It was neglecting the 6.0 owners when International F***ed Ford with a shitty injector and head design.

No, the 6.0 injector problem was in no way shape or form limited to tuned vehicles. The head gaskets were more prominent in overboosted, tuned trucks but again, no way shape or form was it limited to tuned vehicles. The 6.0 is one of the worst motors EVER put on production by Ford.

I would buy a 7.3 with 200,000 miles before I bought another 6.0 with 50,000. And no, the only problem I had with my 6.0s was injectors once on my 04 before we bougtht the remaining of our fleet vehicles.

(These numbers are off the top of my head. There is more to the problems including turbo couplers blown off, transmission range sensor, transmission failure, rear main seals, and a few other things).

 

[mobeydick]

Let me give you the run down of our 6.0's (yes, we have more than 1).

We have an 03 with the 6.0 option, my personal 04 FX4, an 06 FX4, two F-450s with dump beds, an 05 F350 dually FX4, and 2 other 04 F-250s 4x2s.

The 03 has blown the left side injectors 3x's and the right side twice.

My 04 personal has blown all injectors twice, an EGR cooler and a head gasket BEFORE my tune. Yes, I chipped my truck.

Both our dump trucks have blown injectors at least once, and head gaskets twice on one and three times on the other. One blew the turbo.

My 06 has blown the turbo, the injectors once, and one head gasket.

The 4x2's have only had one head gasket, one EGR and 4 injectors (just four, not all 8 four times).

The only truck to have a tune is my 04. The only truck ever to go a mile over 3,000 without an oil change was one of the 4x2's when it was on a service route in North Carolina for 6 months. The only trucks that didn't run synthetic oil were the F-450s.

These trucks are maintained meticulously. Their oil changed normal, their filters all changed normal, and Diesel Kleen was run through them once every 6 months.

Straight pampered trucks for fleet vehicles. You want to talk about Fords biggest F*** up of all time? It was neglecting the 6.0 owners when International F***ed Ford with a shitty injector and head design.

No, the 6.0 injector problem was in no way shape or form limited to tuned vehicles. The head gaskets were more prominent in overboosted, tuned trucks but again, no way shape or form was it limited to tuned vehicles. The 6.0 is one of the worst motors EVER put on production by Ford.

I would buy a 7.3 with 200,000 miles before I bought another 6.0 with 50,000. And no, the only problem I had with my 6.0s was injectors once on my 04 before we bougtht the remaining of our fleet vehicles.

(These numbers are off the top of my head. There is more to the problems including turbo couplers blown off, transmission range sensor, transmission failure, rear main seals, and a few other things).

I almost wish I had problems with mine so I could work on them, get to know them better. I run homemade b-50 or more in both, I change the oil every 10,000 miles, Both still have the original air filters, Fuel filters every 30,000 and until early this year they both had the original coolant in them. The 06 Reservoir some how cracked in the back and I replace it a new one and added new coolant. I think that may have been the cause of the 06 starting to lose coolant. Just as soon as I did the Coolant reservoir clouded up about a month later the water pump went out then about a month after that the coolant just started disappearing. Sinister EGR Delete stopped that.


I have had to replace the batteries in both vehicles twice.

I change the transmission fluid in both this year also. First time.

 

[19COBRA93]

Selling replacement parts for the 6.0L actually makeup a large percent of my income. Injectors, EGR coolers, oil coolers, heads, etc. There are 4 of us here in our Wholesale dept and we have caller ID on our phone system, when one of the diesel shops call in, it barely rings once because the diesel's are where the money's at.

I know plenty of people who haven't ever had a problem with their 6.0L. But I know far more than that who are constantly having problems with them.

The key is maintenance. Don't get water in the fuel, and keep the oil clean.

 

[Lupo222]

My vehicles are meticulously maintained. I know the oil losing viscosity ends up fouling the injectors, hence running synthetic and changing it regularly. Still didn't help me

 

[mobeydick]

My vehicles are meticulously maintained. I know the oil losing viscosity ends up fouling the injectors, hence running synthetic and changing it regularly. Still didn't help me

Which Brand, I run Mobil 1 ONLY Change it every 10,000 miles and the 2 UOA I've had done state I should try 12,000 miles. No Remote filters.

 

[s8v4o]

I still have a hard time believing the STOCK 6.0s were troubled Engines. I have 2, I bought both NEW. Both until very recently were totally stock! The 05 has 155,xxx miles on it and has never been in a shop for any repairs. My 06 has had a few minor issues and recently last week @ 135,xxx miles we put an EGR Delete because of coolant disappearing!. I don’t maintain them any different then I do my 01 7.3 either!

I do know ALL the 6.0s of my friends that were “Tuned” without exception had problems.

BOT: It really looks like the people wanting extreme “Tunes” out of the N/A engines seam to be having problems. That is because those owners want as much performance they can get for the fewest dollars.

I’ve said this before, the new 5.0 is a great platform. The real problem is, is that it is only 302 cubic inches. 302 Cubic inches built for the mass market is only going to produce about 1.5 hppci safely for a long time. It doesn’t matter if GM, Dodge or Ford builds it! There have been a lot of people buy into the hype of the 5.0 being better then larger displacement engines. To some extent it is true the 5.0 is better but the reality is it’s still 302ci. GM or Dodge doesn’t make one stock engine for the masses that makes the same hppci as does the new 5.0. It is almost maxed out from the factory with parts that can be made inexpensively.

Generally speaking the 03 and 04's had the most problems stock. Once tuned its fair game as to what year will have problems.

 

[pacettr]

LOL. I don't know how you GM's do it.

Fixt. I gotta worry about both sides now It's my baby.

I still have a hard time believing the STOCK 6.0s were troubled Engines. I have 2, I bought both NEW. Both until very recently were totally stock! The 05 has 155,xxx miles on it and has never been in a shop for any repairs. My 06 has had a few minor issues and recently last week @ 135,xxx miles we put an EGR Delete because of coolant disappearing!. I don’t maintain them any different then I do my 01 7.3 either!

I do know ALL the 6.0s of my friends that were “Tuned” without exception had problems.

BOT: It really looks like the people wanting extreme “Tunes” out of the N/A engines seam to be having problems. That is because those owners want as much performance they can get for the fewest dollars.

I’ve said this before, the new 5.0 is a great platform. The real problem is, is that it is only 302 cubic inches. 302 Cubic inches built for the mass market is only going to produce about 1.5 hppci safely for a long time. It doesn’t matter if GM, Dodge or Ford builds it! There have been a lot of people buy into the hype of the 5.0 being better then larger displacement engines. To some extent it is true the 5.0 is better but the reality is it’s still 302ci. GM or Dodge doesn’t make one stock engine for the masses that makes the same hppci as does the new 5.0. It is almost maxed out from the factory with parts that can be made inexpensively.

Let me give you the run down of our 6.0's (yes, we have more than 1).

We have an 03 with the 6.0 option, my personal 04 FX4, an 06 FX4, two F-450s with dump beds, an 05 F350 dually FX4, and 2 other 04 F-250s 4x2s.

The 03 has blown the left side injectors 3x's and the right side twice.

My 04 personal has blown all injectors twice, an EGR cooler and a head gasket BEFORE my tune. Yes, I chipped my truck.

Both our dump trucks have blown injectors at least once, and head gaskets twice on one and three times on the other. One blew the turbo.

My 06 has blown the turbo, the injectors once, and one head gasket.

The 4x2's have only had one head gasket, one EGR and 4 injectors (just four, not all 8 four times).

The only truck to have a tune is my 04. The only truck ever to go a mile over 3,000 without an oil change was one of the 4x2's when it was on a service route in North Carolina for 6 months. The only trucks that didn't run synthetic oil were the F-450s.

These trucks are maintained meticulously. Their oil changed normal, their filters all changed normal, and Diesel Kleen was run through them once every 6 months.

Straight pampered trucks for fleet vehicles. You want to talk about Fords biggest F*** up of all time? It was neglecting the 6.0 owners when International F***ed Ford with a shitty injector and head design.

No, the 6.0 injector problem was in no way shape or form limited to tuned vehicles. The head gaskets were more prominent in overboosted, tuned trucks but again, no way shape or form was it limited to tuned vehicles. The 6.0 is one of the worst motors EVER put on production by Ford.

I would buy a 7.3 with 200,000 miles before I bought another 6.0 with 50,000. And no, the only problem I had with my 6.0s was injectors once on my 04 before we bougtht the remaining of our fleet vehicles.

(These numbers are off the top of my head. There is more to the problems including turbo couplers blown off, transmission range sensor, transmission failure, rear main seals, and a few other things).

Yep

We see a TON of 6.0's, so many in fact that my dealer won't sell our warranties on one any more, only Ford ESP, because of the losses in claims.

Selling replacement parts for the 6.0L actually makeup a large percent of my income. Injectors, EGR coolers, oil coolers, heads, etc. There are 4 of us here in our Wholesale dept and we have caller ID on our phone system, when one of the diesel shops call in, it barely rings once because the diesel's are where the money's at.

I know plenty of people who haven't ever had a problem with their 6.0L. But I know far more than that who are constantly having problems with them.

The key is maintenance. Don't get water in the fuel, and keep the oil clean.

x2

Seems EGR delete and head studs and you're golden.

 

[BlackSunshine]

Fixt. I gotta worry about both sides now It's my baby.





Yep

We see a TON of 6.0's, so many in fact that my dealer won't sell our warranties on one any more, only Ford ESP, because of the losses in claims.



x2

Seems EGR delete and head studs and you're golden.

Might be a stupid question, but, wouldn't doing an EGR delete technically make it emmisions illegal? (visual inspection obviously). Also wouldn't it create a CEL as well?

 

[Mach2burnout]

Well I've had 2 - 6.0s myself with out a minutes problem. The first was an 03 4x2 F250, I used it after katrina in NO for Disaster Relief. Ran if 7 days a week, 14-18 hrs a day and pulled loads not meant for F350. Ran the hell out of it, and change oil 7500 mile intervals. Delo 400 motor oil. Great truck, sold it to a friend of mine is still driving as a DD today. About 350k miles and still going strong. I do believe he put a set of inj. in about 6 mos. ago. The other Fx4 was on 07, didn't keep it but a year but no problems, worked the shit out of it, did the mainenance. Again Delo 400 motor oil. Most of the haulers in this area with Fords hate em though, say they have trouble. I guess ya gotta get Wednesday built one to get a good one. LOL

 

[white05gt]

Might be a stupid question, but, wouldn't doing an EGR delete technically make it emmisions illegal? (visual inspection obviously). Also wouldn't it create a CEL as well?

It wouldn't pass emissions but there isn't a CEL when you tune for the egr delete.

 

[datsyuk]

I have a friend who recently got the #8.

He owns a 2011 5.0 and took delivery on it last July (not sure build date but that can give you an idea). He has roughly 5000 miles on the car right now and has not had a problem with it to my understanding since this happened. He knew something was wrong with the car when he would get on it and after he let off I believe it would start smoking from under the bay. Took it to Ford and sure enough it was the #8 problem.

Now, his car up until I'd say 1-2 months ago had a JLT CAI and a tune from Evolution Performance. About 3 months ago he was at Ford Nationals in Carlisle and purchased a set of long tube headers and o/r x from the ARH booth and walked directly over to the Evolution booth. He spoke with the owner of Evolution (forgot his name) and told him his mods, and asked if he was going to need another tune with the addition of the long tubes. He told him no multiple times. I myself watched and helped him install the long tubes on his car. Shortly after that (week to two weeks), he started seeing smoke and there was the problem.

He's trying right now to get a hold of Ford to see if something can be done about this.

Has anyone else had a problem with an Evolution tune? Has anyone on here gotten denied getting this problem fixed, and has anyone gotten it fixed? (Sorry coming in late to the thread don't really want to sift through all these pages and others on numerous other forums).

 

[Swoope]

OH REALLY? then why did i watch mark fields BRAGGING about how the mustang is the most modded vehicle in the world? he is proud of modding mustangs. now he has created one that blows up if 20-40rwhp is added.


Bullshit. they didnt know this would happen when they made it with inferior parts.


they knew it would be modded, they counted on it. and as a matter of fact they have a crate motor/controller just for modding and it will blow up too.


they also had their own modding package from FRPP that will blow it up too.

keep your heads in teh sand. it will just go away.

this is a copy and paste from modularfords. the knowledge is deep on that site.

beers

I have not seen any NA or blown cars with an issue.

I think the problems are caused by NA tunes that are way too aggressive. We've seen tuners over the last year claim gains from here to the moon in an effort to win some kind of HP race..

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