Any Tabaki smokers here?

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Cigars FTW

I started smoking cigars about ten years ago and really enjoy them. I know a lot of people have referenced Cuban cigars, which are good, I tend to smoke cigars from Nicaragua. I can buy a box of Oliva Series V's for less then a 5 pack of Cubans.
 

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I started smoking cigars about ten years ago and really enjoy them. I know a lot of people have referenced Cuban cigars, which are good, I tend to smoke cigars from Nicaragua. I can buy a box of Oliva Series V's for less then a 5 pack of Cubans.

Dont think I ever tasted a good cigar.
My uncle used to smoke these German cigars that looked like a piece of black twisted rope. Smelt like hell.
From what I understand is the good cigar makers went to Nicaragua when Castro came to power, and that the Nic cigars are the Old Cuban makers.
Can you describe the taste of a Cuban and Nic cigar?
I wouldn't know one if someone handed it to me.
 

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Raverjames: I'm willing to bet money that your experience with "smoky" bars and feeling it during your run is psychosomatic. We're conditioned to think that second hand smoke does things like you stated. You should meet my Marine buddy who smokes a ciggarette right before he PT's and runs 3 miles with me. Everyone is different, but being around ciggarette smokers for a couple hours is not going to destroy your lung capacity. It's in your head.

Sorry to hijack the thread.
Dude, I am not getting into it on threads where arguments don't belong, but your argument is plain ignorant. Just because you know one guy that can run and smoke, does not mean it is harmless to athletes. 2nd hand smoke still contains plenty of carbon monoxide and and tar. This stuff removes oxygen from the blood and swells the passages of the lungs. This is the stuff that effects people like me when we run the next morning. Show me one competitive runner that smokes. Show me one real olympic track athlete that smokes. The Olympic athletes were complaining about the smog affecting their performance in China, that is how sensitive your lungs can be. So, for you to say 2nd hand smoke would not effect my lungs is just plain wrong. Using some slow guy in the marines isn't even a good example. When I was getting into the ROTC, I did several PT's with many marines that were new and old. The fastest guy ran an 18:30 3-mile, which was 30 seconds slower than my time. Real athletes do anything they can to not inhale smoke. I have a cigar a couple times a year, but do not inhale. Thats all my body can handle.

Here is some stuff you can find written in about every medical book:

Tobacco smoke contains dangerous chemicals
The most damaging compounds in tobacco smoke include:
  • Tar – this is the collective term for all the various particles suspended in tobacco smoke. The particles contain chemicals including several cancer-causing substances. Tar is sticky and brown and stains teeth, fingernails and lung tissue. Tar contains the carcinogen benzo(a)pyrene that is known to trigger tumour development (cancer).
  • Carbon monoxide – this odourless gas is fatal in large doses because it takes the place of oxygen in the blood. Each red blood cell contains a protein called haemoglobin; oxygen molecules are transported around the body by binding to, or hanging onto, this protein. However, carbon monoxide binds to haemoglobin better than oxygen. This means that less oxygen reaches the brain, heart, muscles and other organs.
  • Hydrogen cyanide – the lungs contain tiny hairs (cilia) that help to clean the lungs by moving foreign substances out. Hydrogen cyanide stops this lung clearance system from working properly, which means the poisonous chemicals in tobacco smoke can build up inside the lungs. Other chemicals in smoke that damage the lungs include hydrocarbons, nitrous oxides, organic acids, phenols and oxidising agents.
  • Free radicals – these highly reactive chemicals can damage the heart muscles and blood vessels. They react with cholesterol, leading to the build-up of fatty material on artery walls. Their actions lead to heart disease, stroke and blood vessel disease.
  • Metals – tobacco smoke contains dangerous metals including arsenic, cadmium and lead. Several of these metals are carcinogenic.
  • Radioactive compounds – tobacco smoke contains radioactive compounds, which are known to be carcinogenic.
Respiratory system
The effects of tobacco smoke on the respiratory system include:
  • Irritation of the trachea (windpipe) and larynx (voice box)
  • Reduced lung function and breathlessness due to swelling and narrowing of the lung airways and excess mucus in the lung passages
  • Impairment of the lungs’ clearance system, leading to the build-up of poisonous substances, which results in lung irritation and damage
  • Increased risk of lung infection and symptoms such as coughing and wheezing
  • Permanent damage to the air sacs of the lungs.
Circulatory system
The effects of tobacco smoke on the circulatory system include:
  • Raised blood pressure and heart rate
  • Constriction (tightening) of blood vessels in the skin, resulting in a drop in skin temperature
  • Less oxygen carried by the blood
  • Stickier blood, which is more prone to clotting
  • Damage to the lining of the arteries, which is thought to be a contributing factor to atherosclerosis (the build-up of fatty deposits on the artery walls)
  • Reduced blood flow to extremities like fingers and toes
  • Increased risk of stroke and heart attack due to blockages of the blood supply.
Immune system
The effects of tobacco smoke on the immune system include:
  • The immune system doesn’t work as well
  • The person is more prone to infections such as pneumonia and influenza
  • It takes longer to get over an illness.
Musculoskeletal system
The effects of tobacco smoke on the musculoskeletal system include:
  • Tightening of certain muscles
  • Reduced bone density.
Other effects on the body
Other effects of tobacco smoke on the body include:
  • Irritation and inflammation of the stomach and intestines
  • Increased risk of painful ulcers along the digestive tract
  • Reduced ability to smell and taste
  • Premature wrinkling of the skin
  • Higher risk of blindness
  • Gum disease (periodontitis).
The male body
The specific effects of tobacco smoke on the male body include:
  • Lower sperm count
  • Higher percentage of deformed sperm
  • Reduced sperm mobility
  • Changed levels of male sex hormones
  • Impotence, which may be due to the effects of smoking on blood flow and damage to the blood vessels of the penis.
The female body
The specific effects of tobacco smoke on the female body include:
  • Reduced fertility
  • Menstrual cycle irregularities or absence of menstruation
  • Menopause reached one or two years earlier
  • Increased risk of cancer of the cervix
  • Greatly increased risk of stroke and heart attack if the smoker is aged over 35 years and taking the oral contraceptive pill.
The unborn baby
The effects of maternal smoking on an unborn baby include:
  • Increased risk of miscarriage, stillbirth and premature birth.
  • Low birth weight, which may have a lasting effect of the growth and development of children. Low birth weight is associated with an increased risk for early puberty and, in adulthood, is an increased risk for heart disease, stroke, high blood pressure and diabetes.
  • Increased risk of cleft palate and cleft lip.
  • Paternal smoking can also harm the foetus if the non-smoking mother is exposed to secondhand smoke.
  • If the mother continues to smoke during her baby’s first year of life, the child has an increased risk of ear infections, respiratory illnesses such as pneumonia, croup and bronchitis, sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) and meningococcal disease.
Diseases caused by long-term smoking
A lifetime smoker is at high risk of developing a range of potentially lethal diseases, including:
  • Cancer of the lung, mouth, nose, voice box, tongue, nasal sinus, oesophagus, throat, pancreas, bone marrow (myeloid leukaemia), kidney, cervix, ureter, liver, bladder and stomach.
  • Lung diseases such as chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, which includes chronic bronchitis and emphysema.
  • Coronary artery disease, heart disease, heart attack and stroke.
  • Ulcers of the digestive system.
  • Osteoporosis and hip fracture.
  • Poor blood circulation in feet and hands, which can lead to pain and, in severe cases, gangrene and amputation.
 

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I started smoking cigars about ten years ago and really enjoy them. I know a lot of people have referenced Cuban cigars, which are good, I tend to smoke cigars from Nicaragua. I can buy a box of Oliva Series V's for less then a 5 pack of Cubans.
My favorite cigars are the bourbon dipped minis. I can't really taste a difference between different countries cigars.
 

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This is a pro smoking thread.
If I gotta have one vice it will be tobacco.
No More anti smoking ads please.
There is plenty on the boob tube for all of us.
 

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This is a pro smoking thread.
If I gotta have one vice it will be tobacco.
No More anti smoking ads please.
There is plenty on the boob tube for all of us.
That's fine, but people also need to keep their false smoking is fine for you BS out of it too. Smoking is bad for you, but cigars are oh so good. Lets leave the argument at that.

Back on topic, is there any liquor soaked pipe tobacco?
 

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That's fine, but people also need to keep their false smoking is fine for you BS out of it too. Smoking is bad for you, but cigars are oh so good. Lets leave the argument at that.

Back on topic, is there any liquor soaked pipe tobacco?

Well smokin aint good period. We know that.

Back on subject.
Yes MANY MANY MANY Liquor soaked pipe tobaccos.
Rum of course is the most popular.
 

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Got the Candies in and here are some more opinions from Mwaaa.

Torben Dansk (Dans/CAO) - Blue Note - Loose pack Tinned - Sweet
Good Stuff with a Brown Sugar taste. Smooth and dont bite at all. Tobacco flavor comes through really nice.

Cornell & Diehl - Autumn Evening - Loose Pack Tinned - Sweet
Nice and smooth with a hint of vanilla and brown sugar taste. Very Very mild bite. This is good stuff if you want a mild sweet.

Mac Baren - Cherry Ambrosia - Loose Pack Tinned - Sweet
Oh lordy.... Ambrosia; this is the stuff. Sweet and a very nice Cherry taste. If you like Cherry this is it.

Gawith and Hoggarth - Top Black Cherry - Loose Pack - Sweet Cavendish
This is a dark cavendish (Fermented). Nice Black Cherry and buttery taste and mildly sweet. Non biting and great after taste of Black Cherry.

One thing I have found is dont skimp on price of tobacco. You will get what you pay for.

Spend the extra couple bucks. It be worth it many times over.
 

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I would be willing to bet there are a lot of cig smokers here.
Just wont admit it cuz it has such a stigma attached these days.

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Unfortunately, for me, cars and smoking go together. Its especially bothersome at shows and cruise ins. Racing events too, Im sure, but I havent been drag racing yet.
 

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And anyone who believes in 2nd hand smoke has been decieved, it has NEVER been proven and it's just a bunch of bullshit created by anti-smoking groups.

Lol, THATS ridiculous. But, you dont need to have studies to prove that sucking in poisonous, hot gas is mortally damaging to your body. The smoke at either end comes from the same source and from the same action so its equally deadly, its just that smokers "force induct" the poison, therefore accelerating the effects. Yeah, Im a rabid anti smoker.
 

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I agree to a point on some of the comments.
Smokers do need to be courteous to others that do not smoke.
I try to be as much as possible.
But if you dont smoke then dont go to a smoking bar or places where smoking will be.
The same courtesy works both ways. Something the Anti's have forgotten.
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I dont drink, but if I want to go karaoke, the shits always there. Or bowling, w/e. Dont tell me to "stay home". You can go outside and smoke. Fortunately, AZ passed an indoor smoking ban last year that went into effect this past May.
 

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Shouldn't the market dictate that? Not regulation? If there is enough of a demand for non-smoking bars, they will open up. If not they won't. I don't smoke cigarettes, but I don't believe I have the right to dictate to someone else, unless they are in my home, car, etc...


Smokers are a minority group but, does it ever occur to those who rebut with this sentiment that the nons just stay home? Drinkers and smokers go hand in hand, but not all drinkers smoke and not all people who go to bars or clubs go to drink. I know *I* dont go SPECIFICALLY because of the smoke. Like I said, they can go outside and smoke. Or just quit.
 

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FalconGTHO

The choice to be around smokers is yours and yours alone.
Utah has the indoor smoking law and has for years.
It is my choice to smoke.
I dont force you to be around me or stop you from leaving when I light up.
Second hand smoke has the same health effects as smoking would have.
The dispute is over how much an effect.
I myself think it is overstated but thats my opinion.
But it will be a cold day in hell that I let anyone tell me I do not have the choice to smoke if I please.
That includes you and your types.
I will respect your right to not smoke and I will respect others rights by going to designated smoking areas if need be.
But if you go into a smoking area of your own free will then you are to blame for that choice.
Just like you coming in this thread.
It was your choice to do so.
The thread is clearly about smoking and for smokers.
You walked into the place and you can leave the place and go to a non smoking thread or establishment.
We smokers have bent and compromised at every turn.
Have the non smokers? Hell No.
IMO we are the persecuted minority.
But that is my opinion.
You have stated your opinion and exercised your right to do so.
Now move on and leave us smokers alone.
Deal?
 

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Me having to breathe the shit is not a choice, however.

FYI, I'm considerate of others. I don't smoke in crowds, I don't smoke indoors and I don't smoke in front of children. I use ashtrays and I pay taxes as well. :stfu:


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FalconGTHO

The choice to be around smokers is yours and yours alone.

IMO we are the persecuted minority.

And thats why I dont do a lot of shit or go places as I mentioned. But, thats crap, I shouldnt have to just to avoid smokers. If I want to see a concert or shit like that, I shouldnt have to stay home if I "dont want to be around smokers". I shouldnt have to close my patio door on spring or fall nights when I want the cool air in because the shitbag neighbors are partying and smoking. You werent BORN smoking, so theres no need or reason for it.

I have no sympathy for your "persecuted" status, since, as I said, you werent born that way.
 
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We were not "born" driving cars either. Or using microwave ovens. Or using calculators. Or using flush toilets. Trying to take an argument to an extreme will not support an argument. I don't see a "non-smoker" or "anti-smoker" thread - feel free to start one...
 
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I didn't choose to have you move in next door.
I didn't choose to have you go to the concert. (BTW in Utard the concerts have smoking areas way away from the general areas).
I didn't choose to be taxed to fucking hell by you non smoking libs to pay for subsidizing your health care.
I didn't choose to pay higher insurance rates because I smoke so You can reap the benefit of my rate.

As you can see the argument can go on, and on.

Start your own thread and see how alone ya are.
 

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