Bama tune 2011+ (moved)

[Kingcrabb]

BTW - I am not running a Lund tune. Are you not able to read my signature or are you just too plain stupid to notice? I have tried to be somewhat amicable to you as others have. No more.

And for all i know you could just be hiding from the Ford trolls....

 

[wbt]

And for all i know you could just be hiding from the Ford trolls....

Do a username search......

 

[Kingcrabb]

What am I looking for?

 

[Seer]

the #8 issue is most like a combination of two things. An engine assembled on the far end of the engineering tolerance sprectrum and a medicore tune to set it off.

 

[Kingcrabb]

the #8 issue is most like a combination of two things. An engine assembled on the far end of the engineering tolerance sprectrum and a medicore tune to set it off.

So...every shop that sells tunes are mediocre? Because there have been reports of failures with just about every tune.

Let me correct it for you

the #8 issue is most like a combination of two things. An engine assembled on the far end of the engineering tolerance sprectrum and a tune to set it off.

 

[Seer]

So...every shop that sells tunes are mediocre? Because there have been reports of failures with just about every tune.

Let me correct it for you

No, you're 100% incorrect. A mediocre tune, so stop sack riding bama. Ford doesn't call it the bama bulletin for nothing.

I've looked at their calibrations parameters, and its pretty damn close to the same SCT value file that was popping #8's left and right.

The #8 piston does not just blow up suddenly, it wears over time. EVERY single public event that a Lund car has blown, has also had a BAMA tune in the past. Explain that one?

Your ignorance is laughable at best and people like you make me wish I had a time machine and a coat hanger.

 

[wbt]

No, you're 100% incorrect. A mediocre tune, so stop sack riding bama. Ford doesn't call it the bama bulletin for nothing.

I've looked at their calibrations parameters, and its pretty damn close to the same SCT value file that was popping #8's left and right.

The #8 piston does not just blow up suddenly, it wears over time. EVERY single public event that a Lund car has blown, has also had a BAMA tune in the past. Explain that one?

Your ignorance is laughable at best and people like you make me wish I had a time machine and a coat hanger.

It's probably best just to stop feeding this troll and let it die a long slow death. You can't argue with idiots.

 

[VTXFrank]

If the problem was solely the tune then why didnt mine blow up? I had the original Bama tune (the one with super aggressive timing and lean af) and ran the balls out of my car since day one. Then when the #8 issues started popping up all the tuners started dumbing down the tunes a little.

I also had a very early version of the Bama tunes on my car. I personally do not believe that the tunes are the only issue here. I'm not exactly sure what chain of events has to take place to pop a #8, but I also firmly believe that Ford knows why.

The main thing I am trying to get it is that you cant blame one tuner for these problems as every tuner including your beloved sugar daddy lund has had a failure. (sorry for the run on sentence).
I have seen a motor pop with out a tune first hand and it only takes one to validate the fact that it is possible.

First off, give some proof of you personally seeing this stock motor pop. Not just words, but *proof*. You have a hard on for anything with Jon Lund's name in it. The facts are pretty clear and Jon will tell you himself. He has had one motor pop while running only his tune. He paid to fix it and he maintains a certain amount of money just in case this happens. He believes it's a combination of things, but has no clear answer. His overall impression was that certain motors have a possibility of lunching themselves right from the factory. Just as all engines from all makes do. Once you toss a tune on it, it may not hold. Just like there are factory freaks that can take huge amounts of boost and get the shit beaten out of them, there are also engines that will not last even with a 5% increase in power. It's a roll of the dice. Your constant bashing of Lund, whose tunes you have never even ran on your car, is absolutely ridiculous. How the fuck can you hate a tuner so much when you've never even bought a tune from them? You don't even know the man. I've talked to him at length on multiple occasions. He's a damned good guy and stands behind his work. Period. He has worked his fucking ass off to EARN his reputation as one of the best.

Chris Crabb: Yes, I know. The problem was from the factory not the tunes. But those douche bag fuck wads want to think other wise. HATE that forum. every thread turns into a bash of some other co. tune. apparently Lund is god...I didnt get that memo.

If you hate this forum so much:

Hey Pot. The Kettle is happy you have your dick so far down its spout. As I said above, Jon Lund has EARNED his awesome reputation. What have YOU earned in life? A reputation as a troll and a hater without reason, knowledge nor even common sense enough to STFU when you dig that hole past your neck.

All I was getting at here is that Lund had a failure (oh no) so stop bashing Bama. They are both great tuners. For my own personal experience I have tried both and Bama has been there where Lund left me in the dark.

Since when did you have a Lund tune? Now that I know your real name, perhaps I'll call Jon and see if he has ever tuned your car. I think you're a lying, ignorant fuckwad.

Put the percentages together of Bama tuned cars that have popped a #8 and Jon Lund. Even taking into account that Bama likely has more tuned cars than Lund, the figures should speak for themselves. Jon will outright tell you his #. I seriously doubt Bama will. I am NOT trash talking Bama. I've carefully poured over datalogs for my car from Bama and found nothing even close to being dangerous. When you're a cutting edge, massively known company like Bama, you're one of the early adopters of new engine tech. So it would stand to reason that Bama has had some engines pop. Not bashing, just stating what I believe to be true.

No.
At one point I thought it did. Around the time when the whole #8 thing was at its peak and I was just jumping to conclusions before I looked into it.

You must be in great shape. You seem to do a LOT of jumping to conclusions and running to tell people things that you ASSume to be true.

Not on either side of the fence as my car is stock, but someone has to say this. Why the fuck do you keep coming back to the forum you HATE so much. If you dont like it here do us all a favor and GTFO and dont come back.

Agreed, brother!

 

[Kingcrabb]

First I Never said anything bad about lund or his tunes. I am only defending Bama.
Secondly YES I DO have a Lund tune. A Lund Cam to be exact. Go ahead and call him.
Third. I agree with everything said here
"He believes it's a combination of things, but has no clear answer. His overall impression was that certain motors have a possibility of lunching themselves right from the factory. Just as all engines from all makes do. Once you toss a tune on it, it may not hold. Just like there are factory freaks that can take huge amounts of boost and get the shit beaten out of them, there are also engines that will not last even with a 5% increase in power. It's a roll of the dice."

Also the 'proof' of the stock motor blower is in another thread that you guys keep forgetting about and dont want to except the facts for what they are.

Again. Not once did I say Lund sucks and his tunes blow.
I honestly don't care who had the most engines blow. All I know is that MY car runs great and that's all I can ask for.


And here is a short video of my Cam tune. I was making it pop flames.
In between revs you can hear the lope.

 

[Thereaper]

The paperwork you posted on the stock engine popping said nothing about the #8. I want facts in writing. If my #8 blows I would like to know why.

 

[Scott_0]

How the fuck can you hate a tuner so much when you've never even bought a tune from them?

why is that you dont pose this question to wbt and the other hardcore bashers of Bama, theyve self admittedly stated they would never ever run a Bama tune, it doesnt take a blind man to see that each and every time Bama is brought up wbt can be counted on to chirp in with his 2 cents without ever having run a Bama tune.........

not kaboom anymore, kabama!

Mediocre gains for a tune on these cars.

When Ford issued the TSB about tunes and warranty being voided, it was dubbed the Bama TSB. At the time most of the cars having ring land issues were using Bama tunes. If you search through the forums you will find a discussion where Chris@AM chimes in with a misunderstanding of Lambda and how it is used. Needless to say, a good bit of us deduced that running lean, along with modifying the knock sensors was the cause behind the failures.

Cliff notes - I wouldn't run a Bama tune. Regardless of their customer service and "warranty", trust in their tuning competency is marginal based on their past history with the 5.0.

I wouldn't even let BAMA tune a fucking lawnmower.

No way I don't want to blow my #1 mulcher.

From second hand experience though the talent went away with Doug

how many of these member have first hand experience with Bama? Id guess none but always have opinions when Bama is brought up..........

 

[Seer]

why is that you dont pose this question to wbt and the other hardcore bashers of Bama, theyve self admittedly stated they would never ever run a Bama tune, it doesnt take a blind man to see that each and every time Bama is brought up wbt can counted on to chirp in with his 2 cents without ever having run a Bama tune.........

I've ran their (bama) tune and unlike 99% of the people here are able to read how it is configured and have actual vehicle engine control management system experience.

I can tell you this, wbt knows someone who can do the same as well.

 

[BlackSunshine]

 

[Seer]

how many of these member have first hand experience with Bama? Id guess none but always have opinions when Bama is brought up..........

My comment was directed at BAMA's quality downgrade when they were taken over by AM.

I would say quite a few people on here have had Legacy BAMA tunes and have tried the new AM-BAMA tunes on the 3v.

Me personally, I have ran a BAMA tune on the 4v 5.0L Coyote and have disected it from it's standard hex as well.

What's your point?

 

[Kingcrabb]

I've ran their (bama) tune and unlike 99% of the people here are able to read how it is configured and have actual vehicle engine control management system experience.

I can tell you this, wbt knows someone who can do the same as well.

I may not have the knowledge or software to read into these tunes but I will tell you that my Bama tune made more Power on the Dyno vs my Lund tune.
And when I shoot emails to Lund asking for updates or have a questions it takes him Days to respond. And when he does its. "Don't worry about updates the tune is set up for additional mods" and thats it.
Sorry, I don't want a universal tune. I want one taylor'd to my car and mods.
I sent an Email to Mike directly, Told him I got headers and requested some dyno time. He brought me in on a slow day and dyno tuned my car...for free.
To add to that the base pull (email tune) to the final pull (dyno tune) was only a gain of 5-10 hp.

Now Am I saying anything bad about Lund or his tunes..No. But for me it didnt work out. Others are obviously different.
If someone asked me who I would recommend tune their car I would first say Bama, and second on my List would most likely be Lund. Or JPC what about those guys?

Your kinda late. Let me know when you need a refill.

 

[Seer]

I may not have the knowledge or software to read into these tunes but I will tell you that my Bama tune made more Power on the Dyno vs my Lund tune.
And when I shoot emails to Lund asking for updates or have a questions it takes him Days to respond. And when he does its. "Don't worry about updates the tune is set up for additional mods" and thats it.
Sorry, I don't want a universal tune. I want one taylor'd to my car and mods.
I sent an Email to Mike directly, Told him I got headers and requested some dyno time. He brought me in on a slow day and dyno tuned my car...for free.
To add to that the base pull (email tune) to the final pull (dyno tune) was only a gain of 5-10 hp.

Now Am I saying anything bad about Lund or his tunes..No. But for me it didnt work out. Others are obviously different.
If someone asked me who I would recommend tune their car I would first say Bama, and second on my List would most likely be Lund. Or JPC what about those guys?

So you dyno'd both the BAMA tune and Lund tune on the same day with the same cool down times? A dyno is a tuning tool and not a device used to measure performance.

Tell me why the tune wouldnt be updated already? Lund sets his tunes up to the point where the only thing you would need to change is if you changed CAIs (NA tunes).

-Let's think about this realistically. CAI affects the incoming air flow, tune required.

-Offroad Pipe, Catalyst Readiness tests are set to proper parameters by default to ensure a CEL is not tripped.

-Headers most certainly do not affect incoming air flow, no retune needed. O2 transport delay is self learning on the 11+ cars.

-Lund sets all of his tunes to rev over 7500 RPM, so the MAF transfer is already developed with the Boss Manifold in mind. No retune required.

Someone telling you, you get free tunes for life is selling you a bag of poo. These cars have widebands installed on both banks and are able to make Air/Fuel changes on the fly. The only thing that needs calibrated in a tune is incoming air flow and thats only if you have a CAI swap.

Now supercharged cars are a bit different.

 

[jsnyng]

Tell me why the tune wouldnt be updated already? Lund sets his tunes up to the point where the only thing you would need to change is if you changed CAIs (NA tunes).

-Let's think about this realistically. CAI affects the incoming air flow, tune required.

-Offroad Pipe, Catalyst Readiness tests are set to proper parameters by default to ensure a CEL is not tripped.

-Headers most certainly do not affect incoming air flow, no tune needed.

-Lund sets all of his tunes to rev over 7500 RPM, so the MAF transfer is already developed with the Boss Manifold in mind. No retune required.

Someone telling you, you get free tunes for life is selling you a bag of poo. These cars have widebands installed on both banks and are able to make Air/Fuel changes on the fly. The only thing that needs calibrated in a tune is incoming air flow and thats only if you have a CAI swap.

Now supercharged cars are a bit different.

Thank you for posting this. I get tired of hearing Lund wouldn't update my tune because I got XYZ. I have gotten great service from him any time I've needed him. Hell, I got great service from Chris Rose and Mike Wilson at Bama before I got my tune from Lund. It was just after 50+ emails back and forth which included 9 separate tune files, I got tired of trying to work with them and lost all confidence it would ever be right.

 

[linnE]

I may not have the knowledge or software to read into these tunes but I will tell you that my Bama tune made more Power on the Dyno vs my Lund tune.
And when I shoot emails to Lund asking for updates or have a questions it takes him Days to respond. And when he does its. "Don't worry about updates the tune is set up for additional mods" and thats it.
Sorry, I don't want a universal tune. I want one taylor'd to my car and mods.
I sent an Email to Mike directly, Told him I got headers and requested some dyno time. He brought me in on a slow day and dyno tuned my car...for free.
To add to that the base pull (email tune) to the final pull (dyno tune) was only a gain of 5-10 hp.

Now Am I saying anything bad about Lund or his tunes..No. But for me it didnt work out. Others are obviously different.
If someone asked me who I would recommend tune their car I would first say Bama, and second on my List would most likely be Lund. Or JPC what about those guys?



Your kinda late. Let me know when you need a refill.

Just curious. Did you work with both tuners using specific PIDs datalogged to build your tune? Or did you just ask for revisions to your tune?
When comparing tunes did you verify each tune to make sure it is safe?

 

[Kingcrabb]

So you dyno'd both the BAMA tune and Lund tune on the same day with the same cool down times? A dyno is a tuning tool and not a device used to measure performance.

Tell me why the tune wouldnt be updated already? Lund sets his tunes up to the point where the only thing you would need to change is if you changed CAIs (NA tunes).

-Let's think about this realistically. CAI affects the incoming air flow, tune required.

-Offroad Pipe, Catalyst Readiness tests are set to proper parameters by default to ensure a CEL is not tripped.

-Headers most certainly do not affect incoming air flow, no retune needed. O2 transport delay is self learning on the 11+ cars.

-Lund sets all of his tunes to rev over 7500 RPM, so the MAF transfer is already developed with the Boss Manifold in mind. No retune required.

Someone telling you, you get free tunes for life is selling you a bag of poo. These cars have widebands installed on both banks and are able to make Air/Fuel changes on the fly. The only thing that needs calibrated in a tune is incoming air flow and thats only if you have a CAI swap.

Now supercharged cars are a bit different.

Yes same day same dyno.
If it is so adaptive (which it is I cant really argue there) then why was power such a difference between Lund and the Bama tune?
If headers wont effect incoming air then why does it change power output and powerband. Granted it is a huge gain but its something. Must be because airflow has changed. A lesser restriction would promote a better incoming flow to a certain degree.

 

[jsnyng]

Just curious. Did you work with both tuners using specific PIDs datalogged to build your tune? Or did you just ask for revisions to your tune?
When comparing tunes did you verify each tune to make sure it is safe?

Yes, all of my tunes were verified via datalogging to be safe. For the record on the Bama tunes I had, all of the problems I had were related to the automatic transmission and them not being able to get the shift schedule worth a crap for daily driving. As far as the engine tune piece, it worked fine. If I drove everywhere at WOT, I would have been happy with it. Unfortunately I live in Atlanta, and can't do that. The car would shift into 6th at 35MPH under light throttle. I couldn't live with that.