The ones I have are direct drill, I don't use those funny offset washers and they don't go in the hole at all they sit right on the outside of the drilled holes. The washers I used are just flat washers, not concave. I do use a hub centric ring though. here are some pics. and these are the lugnuts I use with the flat washers. They are a bit small in the holes, just like the ones that you buy from racestar (which apparently are made out of butter) The washers are also not a perfect fit in the hole just like the ones that came from racestar, I wouldn't think you want the washers digging into the sides of the bore in there anyway.