Liberty911
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I've read this entire thread a couple times. I've also blown more than my share of N/A motors before based upon modifications. This is my first FI motor so I am learning a lot, and this thread only adds to my education. So take my opinions as just that - an opinion for someone who has just entered this areas and looking at forged assemblies/blocks - and everyone has an opinion. This is also the opinion of someone who never intends to go over 500hp so the switch to race fuel never really arose in my research.
I would think that a builder with the reputation of Livernois would have obtained very specific information from the OP regarding intended use of the motor, induction system, and intended fuel usage before building and selling the motor. But I don't know that they didn't . . . . With all the internet forums discussing forged rotating assemblies with SCs, to me advertising a "bulletproof package" motor capable of 1000 hp for use on the "street/track" would lead people to believe it would hold up to a SC running boost to reach this mark. After all, who is building a 1000hp NA modular motor or a 1000hpo motor for the street? And the motor probably does very well with race fuel. However, there should be an asterisk concerning compression/fuel grade/boost levels on the product description. Alternatively, some responsibility lies with the one purchasing the motor to perform their due diligence. I have read of many of these motors pushing 600 hp running pump gas so it is not unreasonable to assume the OP's intentions and plans had a reasonable basis.
I don't know the people involved, only what I have read. I am sure all are very knowledgeable. Full responsbility would lie with the engine builder if they built, installed, and tuned. Otherwise there are just too many variables which the builder lost control of. Legally, the OP is out of luck since Livernois' product left their control and was modified after the purchase (notwithstanding the Warranty excludes their liablity for basically anything after the motor is installed or tuned by a third party) and I am sure the tuner has the OP sign a waiver/assumption of risk. I'd be pissed to, but not really sure who I'd be pissed at.
I would think that a builder with the reputation of Livernois would have obtained very specific information from the OP regarding intended use of the motor, induction system, and intended fuel usage before building and selling the motor. But I don't know that they didn't . . . . With all the internet forums discussing forged rotating assemblies with SCs, to me advertising a "bulletproof package" motor capable of 1000 hp for use on the "street/track" would lead people to believe it would hold up to a SC running boost to reach this mark. After all, who is building a 1000hp NA modular motor or a 1000hpo motor for the street? And the motor probably does very well with race fuel. However, there should be an asterisk concerning compression/fuel grade/boost levels on the product description. Alternatively, some responsibility lies with the one purchasing the motor to perform their due diligence. I have read of many of these motors pushing 600 hp running pump gas so it is not unreasonable to assume the OP's intentions and plans had a reasonable basis.
I don't know the people involved, only what I have read. I am sure all are very knowledgeable. Full responsbility would lie with the engine builder if they built, installed, and tuned. Otherwise there are just too many variables which the builder lost control of. Legally, the OP is out of luck since Livernois' product left their control and was modified after the purchase (notwithstanding the Warranty excludes their liablity for basically anything after the motor is installed or tuned by a third party) and I am sure the tuner has the OP sign a waiver/assumption of risk. I'd be pissed to, but not really sure who I'd be pissed at.
