Fuck this car.

[Natural1]

Jared's GT500 was actually running C16. The car was making a lot of power at 22 lbs of boost and than was being shifted at 6,800 RPMs. The tune was fine and it wasn't running pump gas. Jared said it before the car just had the shit beat out of it and that's why it blew up.

Ok, then I stand corrected but you just solidified my point for me. Running +4lbs (over OP's 18#) with C16 with a good tune and it went down. I was not trying to knock Jared at all, I was just looking for a quick failure example.

Well...Going rate to R and R a motor is 1500.00, then add motor assembly, blower assembly,.....yada yada...yada

I wouldn't know, I've never paid someone to build an engine. I always figured, if I can repair a turbine or a compressor I can build an engine. It has held true so far.

 

[V8SRGR8]

298 Stroker/studs/scraper/VCT limiters - $5800
Headgaskets/Mobil 1/H20 pump - $275
Cams/Springs/Retainers - $1000
Novi 2200 - $3500
GT500 fuel system/60lb injectors/dual BAP/wire upgrade - $1500
8 rib kit/IW balancer/belts - $700
8 bolt flywheel - $200
Tuning and labor - $3800

My total was closer to $17k for this project. Sorry for the confusion. Sometimes I make up numbers to impress people on the internet.

I like fucking up cars. When my GT500 blows up I'm going to sell it. I'll have a hard time selling because the market will be flooded with GT500s and Supersnakes with blown motors.

I'm also trying to be a race car driver and I know driving my car on the street puts the same stress on it as drag racing.

 

[vinnybarber]

i am talking about motor cost only.

did your tuner tell you about the risk of running that much hp on pump gas?
experience with these cars computer i critical.
you turn something off in one place and something somewhere else overrides it.

even my motor with all the best parts in it can detonate and come apart if the tune is not right.
i am going to call dan today.
because i am like paul harvey
i want to know the rest of the story

 

[terry5357]

your run pump gas on close to 700 rwhp and blame the builder, lol, i don't care if it's a 2000hp shortblock, i wouldn't cover it either

just because my uncles' friends' at works nephew's wifes' cousins friend made x power on pump gas, doesn't mean it's right

edit:
and on top of that, no legitamite tuner i know, Ken Bjonnes, Eric Brooks, Dan Millen, Fred Cook is going to be trying to squeeze out 700 rwhp on pump gas,

again, i knew on this particular pull when the motor went that it wasn't set for that power, but it was before that, and again, that could be when the piston took the initial damage,

livernois has also posted pictures showing detonation in all the cylinders haven't they?

Sorry didn't mean to step on your toes.......lol. I was just voicing my opinion which don't mean jack, and means even less on the internet.........lol. I mean, this is a "forum"..........

by the way I understand what you're saying. Money comes hard for me and having $5k just go thru the roof, so to speak. And then everyone involved is saying "its not my fault" would be a hard pill to swallow. IN all honesty there are many "warning flags" here that could equal a bad situation.

I have some thoughts about responsibility to the customer (the OP), some where, some one hsould have at least made a comment such as "you know man, this much boost on pump gas might not be a good idea...that just me and my thoughts on it.....of course everyone knows that building a race motor is never a "for sure thing".........

 

[beefcake]

imo the tuner should be stepping up a lot more.

a had a situation with a car once where the the trans had to be rebuilt because something in the tune was causing the auto trans not to shift properly and ate up the clutches, i mentioned it earlier. took the car to a very good trans shop, had it r&r'd and put back together

i paid for the upgrade to the kevlar clutches and the tuner took care of everything else, because he knew he had made a mistake.

now, if it was stictly the op's idea to run pump gas, then it's out of the tuners hands i guess. I am curious if the tuner ever actually cautioned the OP as to what might happen?

 

[V8SRGR8]

I am not an engine builder. I had reservations about the high compression ratio of this engine, but trusted Livernois' recommendation for my setup. This has been hashed out over and over in this thread. We thought this was a bulletproof motor -it was marketed as such. Some motors can take a beating (03-04 Cobra) and some can't (like the one I bought). Livernois said to me as a result of this they would no longer recommend any specific compression ratio for a given setup. My tuner tunes several cars per week. He's very familiar with the new computers. He doesn't detonate motors to death. It tends to hurt your business.

This conversation is going in circles. Go back and re-read my posts. All the information is there. I'm tired of talking about it. I reopened this thread to inform interested parties about the resolution of the issue, nothing more. It's over and done with as far as I'm concerned.

You are now free to continue your Livernois nutswinging.

 

[beefcake]

I am not an engine builder. I had reservations about the high compression ratio of this engine, but trusted Livernois' recommendation for my setup. This has been hashed out over and over in this thread. We thought this was a bulletproof motor -it was marketed as such. Some motors can take a beating (03-04 Cobra) and some can't (like the one I bought). Livernois said to me as a result of this they would no longer recommend any specific compression ratio for a given setup. My tuner tunes several cars per week. He's very familiar with the new computers. He doesn't detonate motors to death. It tends to hurt your business.

This conversation is going in circles. Go back and re-read my posts. All the information is there. I'm tired of talking about it. I reopened this thread to inform interested parties about the resolution of the issue, nothing more. It's over and done with as far as I'm concerned.

You are now free to continue your Livernois nutswinging.

I guess there are just too many variables. Your saying you thought the compression was too high? Did you not talk to your tuner about it? If you already thought the compression may be a little on the high end, again, why the heck would you run pump gas?

 

[Natural1]

I guess there are just too many variables. Your saying you thought the compression was too high? Did you not talk to your tuner about it? If you already thought the compression may be a little on the high end, again, why the heck would you run pump gas?

His uncorrected effective compression on this engine at 18# with a 9.7:1 would have been in the 21.5:1 range. How safe is that... on pump gas?

You are now free to continue your Livernois nutswinging.

I guess it could be worse... You are still swinging from the nuts of the guy who blew your car up.

 

[vinnybarber]

sticks and stones may break my bones
but names will never hurt me


i don't believe they told you it was bullet proof
no motor is and if somebody builds one i want it

 

[stkjock]

there isn't a need for all that, keep it civil

QFT..... let's back down the BS/name calling

 

[Steedman07]

I noticed in your sig you have PUMP GAS in big bold letters. It sounds like your a fan of it. But, like everyone already told you, you are a dumb shit for pushing the envelope on pump gas on your old engine. It doesnt make any sense to spend all that money, and time, to run the ragged edge on pump gas. Run the right god damned gas in it if you want that much power, IMO. And if your tuner has any brains, IM sure he warned you about running that much boost on pump gas.

 

[Natural1]

I hate to call it like that, but it's a damned fact. I'm sure Millen was like, "who the hell would expect us to eat a failure like this." He didn't say it, and up to this point no one else really has either, but it is what everyone has been thinking. It is not a surprise that it was not covered.

i don't believe they told you it was bullet proof
no motor is and if somebody builds one i want it

Well, every engine I've blown up was bulletproof. Let me know when you find one that truly is, I will take 2.

 

[94tbird]

sticks and stones may break my bones
but names will never hurt me


i don't believe they told you it was bullet proof
no motor is and if somebody builds one i want it

+1 wheres the sign up sheet for that. i want a bullet proof motor that runs on 87 octane at 40psi of compounded boost

 

[V8SRGR8]

It said "bulletproof combo" on the description on the website. I'm not kidding.

 

[Natural1]

Well the OP asked me to go back and re-read this whole thing again and guess what I stumbled across? Did anyone else read this?

I am the tuner of josh's car the knock sensors were on and set to pull up to 5 degrees. we datalogged the knock will on the dyno and it did not pull it out seeing as i had 15-16 total timing. the boost peaked at 18 not stable at 18 like a roots. i will agree that pump gas is not ideal for all out racing or hardcore street use but i think it should have taken a little bit more than it did.

How much more "hardcore" would you go on fuel that came from the local corner store.?

It said "bulletproof combo" on the description on the website. I'm not kidding.

Perhaps they really pulled a pistol on it? Maybe it is "bulletproof"? It's just marketing... You cannot run pump fuel with as high an effective compression as you had.

 

[V8SRGR8]

Anyway, whatever. Like I said before was just trying to update the resolution of the situation. You guys want to keep stirring the shit up, that's fine. I'm glad you're enjoying yourselves. Good luck with your cars, hopefully you don't run into a bad situation like mine.

 

[Natural1]

Anyway, whatever. Like I said before was just trying to update the resolution of the situation. You guys want to keep stirring the shit up, that's fine. I'm glad you're enjoying yourselves. Good luck with your cars, hopefully you don't run into a bad situation like mine.

I may experience a failure, but the situation won't be like yours. As was stated before, you have a very nice car. Good luck with it.

 

[94tbird]

It said "bulletproof combo" on the description on the website. I'm not kidding.

Screen shot?

 

[V8SRGR8]

http://www.livernoismotorsports.com/product.phtml?p=1551

Livernois Motorsports shortblocks are put through grueling test sessions on the dyno where our stroker engine package was first developed. Then hours of rigorous track testing was done to make sure we had a bulletproof package.

 

[94tbird]

i see what your saying, however bullet proof doesnt mean it cant blow up.

Police officers wear bullet proof vests to protect them not unlike you choosing your motor's internal parts or letting livernois choose them for you. But if the officer gets shot in the leg or head, the vest is still bullet proof but it didnt help in that case. The SB may be bullet proof but a tune, bad gas, ect can still cause it to fail