How do my cams look?

steinbergjonny

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Took off my valve covers off my 130k GT/CS to do a bright red wrinkle coat and get them looking pretty... How do you think my cams looks? Some where but all in doesn't look too bad I think?

Theres some where in the loves, and the very small discoloration on the ends appears to be a bit of carbon build up or very fine bits of sludge?

Anything in there that looks worrisome to more experienced eyes? Anything else to check while I'm in there?

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That I do not know.

It has the new later head design with the brown coil boots.
Unless the cam followers have been changed, they'll be the original factory units with the larger oiling holes. Ford Performance only revised their design AFTER the 4.6/5.4 3V engines went out of production.
The only design change made to the 3V heads from 1st December 2007 onwards was to the spark plug holes for the later style plugs.
BTW your cams look absolutely fine with just the normal wear pattern on the lobes. The engine also appears to have been lovingly maintained with good quality oil at the proper change intervals since there's hardly any varnish in the crankcase.
 

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That I do not know.

It has the new later head design with the brown coil boots.
To help you w\ GriffX's question concerning the cam followers................

Provided below is a picture of both an original cam follower (the 1 on top) vs the new redesigned cam follower (the 1 on bottom).
The new redesign is made w\ an improved strength metal to resist structural failure & the oil squirt hole is redesigned to do 2 things..........1.) to improve the oil pressure in the head thus to the tensioners & cam phasers by using a much smaller squirt hole (which improves the oil velocity coming out of the lash adjuster) thus 2.) aims the improved oil squirt volume towards the cam lobe-to-cam follower wheel contact area instead of aiming up at the cam lobe only (the original follower design) to improve oiling rate to the cam follower roller wheel's needle bearings (the main reason why the cam follower wheel locks up.......needle bearings can get deprived of adequate lubrication......splash oiled only).

Ford redesigned these AFTER the 4.6L 3V engine's production run had ended so none of these were installed from the factory thus are the new replacement parts.

Hope this helps.

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Unless the cam followers have been changed, they'll be the original factory units with the larger oiling holes. Ford Performance only revised their design AFTER the 4.6/5.4 3V engines went out of production.
The only design change made to the 3V heads from 1st December 2007 onwards was to the spark plug holes for the later style plugs.
BTW your cams look absolutely fine with just the normal wear pattern on the lobes. The engine also appears to have been lovingly maintained with good quality oil at the proper change intervals since there's hardly any varnish in the crankcase.
That's what I thought too but my eyes are very uneducated on the subject. It's a 5th owner car so I definitely went gambling a little bit.
 

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To help you w\ GriffX's question concerning the cam followers................

Provided below is a picture of both an original cam follower (the 1 on top) vs the new redesigned cam follower (the 1 on bottom).
The new redesign is made w\ an improved strength metal to resist structural failure & the oil squirt hole is redesigned to do 2 things..........1.) to improve the oil pressure in the head thus to the tensioners & cam phasers by using a much smaller squirt hole (which improves the oil velocity coming out of the lash adjuster) thus 2.) aims the improved oil squirt volume towards the cam lobe-to-cam follower wheel contact area instead of aiming up at the cam lobe only (the original follower design) to improve oiling rate to the cam follower roller wheel's needle bearings (the main reason why the cam follower wheel locks up.......needle bearings can get deprived of adequate lubrication......splash oiled only).

Ford redesigned these AFTER the 4.6L 3V engine's production run had ended so none of these were installed from the factory thus are the new replacement parts.

Hope this helps.

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Super helpful - thanks for sharing. There were no modifications to the car when I bought it outside of a super short multimedia unit, so I'm going to guess this was not on the list of work done to the car.

If I ever go for new cams I'll definitely think to add this to the list too.
 

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Does Ford says something about upgrading or changing recommendations? Should one pull the valve covers to inspect the followers after some miles?
I know myself, I will ignore new noises as long as possible ;)

I still try to uncover the mystery why they used so much foam below the intake in MY 2010 ;)
 

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Does Ford says something about upgrading or changing recommendations? Should one pull the valve covers to inspect the followers after some miles?
I know myself, I will ignore new noises as long as possible ;)
I haven't found anything official from Ford concerning these.............and IMHO we won't, due to all this coming into play post-production (remember, these engines originally had a 3yr, 36,000mi powertrain warranty when the vehicle was new thus all this has long expired thus Ford has no impetus to offer any type of post-production subsidy on replacement........if you were running the company, would you do it? you're looking at multi $1,000,000.00+ replacement subsidies on MY's 2005 thru 2014--10yr run affecting millions of vehicles--4.6L, 5.4L 3V VCT-equipped engines). All I do know is this.........for Ford to do this AFTER production run is completed, is IMHO telling you all you need to know that these are a problem waiting to happen, Ford has provided a remedy to this issue thus the onus is now on the consumer..........the old Fram oil filter commercial slogan comes to mind......."either pay me now or pay me later".

Since there aren't any new crate engines to access thus only remans..........IMHO it pays dividends in the long run to fix\replace all this kind of stuff up front to keep your original 4.6L 3V intact as long as you can............so in the end...............it's your vehicle & your money........

My take on this is really very simple since this situation is in reality a Russian-roulette type of deal.........1.) if you only care to run for a short time & trade-in value isn't a concern, then continue to run the OEM parts & hope that they don't fail until you can get rid of the vehicle, 2.) if you plan to keep the vehicle for a long period of time but don't want to put a lot of expense into it, then at least change out all 24 cam followers as these can be changed out w\o removing anything else besides the valve covers, 3.) if you plan to keep the vehicle for a long time & mod the engine in any way, then change out all 24 cam followers & all 24 lash adjusters ASAP--plan to do this along w\ any type of cam swapout or 4.) if the engine mileage is over 100,000 mi-150,000 mi + & you don't know if these have been changed out, then IMHO do it ASAP as a maintenance item as the longer you run the OEM parts, the chances of OEM cam follower failures occurring goes up.......that is, if you plan to keep the vehicle.

Note the main theme here......................"if you plan to keep the vehicle".

This clock starts the moment you start hearing any type of ticking noise coming from this engine, whether from the valve covers or from the front timing cover.........the longer you procrastinate (hold off on repairs\replacement), the more you're playing Russian roulette w\ the engine.

But sometimes, you won't get this luxury warning of noise before failure...........................

My situation some 4+ yrs ago now (simple structural failure of cam follower on 1 of #7 cyl intake valves just 4 months after a cam swapout but finally found 3 months later......had no warning of this other than a P0307 DTC that wouldn't go away but couldn't find\isolate any type of actual plug\coil misfire.....no noise coming from the valve covers prior cam swapout or during\post follower failure w\ no internal damage found to either head, valve or cam lobe & cam follower was never struck by the cam lobe before failure.......engine had a little over 140,000 mi on the clock during all this) is the exception.............most of the time they'll take out at least the top end (heads & valves) or the whole engine as well once they fail........thus is not something to think lightly of\about........you might roll snake eyes......

These have failed in as little as 30,000 mi-60,000 mi & have run w\o issue in other engines well over 200,000+ mi so there is no "set" standard to this industry-wise from what I can see\find.

So, it's on the owner's shoulders.........and how much you value this vehicle\engine as to whether you fork out the money.

My 2 cents....................

PS--Sorry OP for typing this.............but you've had your valve covers off thus have visual on all this...........
 
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So.....To reiterate: If you can afford to change the followers, do it. Also, if you start getting the valve train tick, and you ignore it..... It can, not usually, but can kill an engine when the thing let's go.
 

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To help you w\ GriffX's question concerning the cam followers................

Provided below is a picture of both an original cam follower (the 1 on top) vs the new redesigned cam follower (the 1 on bottom).
The new redesign is made w\ an improved strength metal to resist structural failure & the oil squirt hole is redesigned to do 2 things..........1.) to improve the oil pressure in the head thus to the tensioners & cam phasers by using a much smaller squirt hole (which improves the oil velocity coming out of the lash adjuster) thus 2.) aims the improved oil squirt volume towards the cam lobe-to-cam follower wheel contact area instead of aiming up at the cam lobe only (the original follower design) to improve oiling rate to the cam follower roller wheel's needle bearings (the main reason why the cam follower wheel locks up.......needle bearings can get deprived of adequate lubrication......splash oiled only).

Ford redesigned these AFTER the 4.6L 3V engine's production run had ended so none of these were installed from the factory thus are the new replacement parts.

Hope this helps.

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My 2005 had a dealer installed long block in 2012 What's the chance I got the new and improved rollers?
 

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