mods vs miles

[eighty6gt]

Find a deal on a 2.3 TVS, install it on the stock engine, tune for 500 hp, drive it for another 100,000 with no other changes.

 

[black2008gt]

Trade, get a 07-09 gt500 and let it eat.

 

[dre256]

Depends, if its your only car or not. I have a 1994 jeep with 182K miles I have had for 7 years and put 40K miles on it. I bought it for 1200 and have put at least 12K-15K into it and its nothing special. But its mine to wrench on and play with. Yes you will have moments you want to push it off a cliff and stuff will break at the worst possible moment. But if it is not your reliable DD I say keep it and put money into it. 100K miles isn't a death sentence, comes too how well it was maintained.

 

[darrens07gt]

Bullshit.

Many have been over 450-500 for years.

I have put over 70,000 miles on my factory shortblock in the past 9 years.
It ran [email protected] in 2006 when it had 450rwhp. It's been at 543rwhp since 2008. It has over 2,600 1/4 mile passes and I don't hesitate to bring it on a 2,000 mile road trip at a moments notice.

I did break the input shaft of the TR3650 2 years ago on the street but the 2010-2011 are worse with the Getrag transmission made in China.

This isn't an exact science. There will always be people who will have great luck with thier motors while others will have bad luck. But if you do a lot of searching both here and on other mustang sites you tend to see some patterns when it comes to 3V engines and TR3650 transmissions.

1). Don't rev past 6500.
2). Forge your motor if your going to push north of 450 RWHP.
3). Don't expect a stock TR3650 to last with 450+ HP going through it and when it does go think about switching to a T56 magnum.

 

[darrens07gt]

I would like to know what coyote is running deep into the 11's with just bolt on's. What's the definition of bolt on. The ones I see with bolt on's are running low 12's

Check this thread out.

http://www.s197forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=99581

Most of these cars are stalled autos but still. Look at some of thier trap speeds at 118-122 MPH. Basically these guys are running full exhaust, gears, converter, CAI, performance tune and obviously drag radials if not slicks.

You may be right about low 12's with manuals, especially if they are not running sticky tires. But even so the cars themselves have a lot more in them if they are setup properly for the quarter mile.

 

[darrens07gt]

You're a fucking idiot. STFU and stop spewing bullshit.

Your skills in debate are nothing short of astonishing. I've done enough searching here to know this is a very typical post from you. I've read many a times where you have jumped all over someone for having either an opinion that differs from yours or for having posted in the wrong section.

So with all that said let me end with this:

You obviously have a wonderful economy with words. I look forward to your next syllable with great eagerness.


Anyone know what movie that quote is from?

 

[thump_rrr]

Your skills in debate are nothing short of astonishing. I've done enough searching here to know this is a very typical post from you. I've read many a times where you have jumped all over someone for having either an opinion that differs from yours or for having posted in the wrong section.

So with all that said let me end with this:

You obviously have a wonderful economy with words. I look forward to your next syllable with great eagerness.


Anyone know what movie that quote is from?

Take my hand.

But that will only leave you with one.

 

[darrens07gt]

Take my hand.

But that will only leave you with one.

LOL. You definately know the movie!

 

[sdleo29]

Thump rr do you have your Axle tubes welded or any rype if brace? stock rear 8.8? I have similar power as you and I am paranoid of twisting my rear with all the suspension upgrades I did. My luck I will dead hook and blow up the rear , which I don't really care so much as it would give me an excuse to spend more money I the car, but more concerned about getting it back on the trailer. I am 100 miles from closest track (ATCO)

 

[07TGGT]

Your skills in debate are nothing short of astonishing. I've done enough searching here to know this is a very typical post from you. I've read many a times where you have jumped all over someone for having either an opinion that differs from yours or for having posted in the wrong section.

So with all that said let me end with this:

You obviously have a wonderful economy with words. I look forward to your next syllable with great eagerness.


Anyone know what movie that quote is from?

LOL you're my biggest fan I see. Don't be upset you got called out for spewing bullshit. You have no evidence to back up your claims. A GOOD TUNE and under 500RWHP will live quite some time on stock rotating assembly in a 3V. Don't mistake FACTS for my opinion.

 

[thump_rrr]

Thump rr do you have your Axle tubes welded or any rype if brace? stock rear 8.8? I have similar power as you and I am paranoid of twisting my rear with all the suspension upgrades I did. My luck I will dead hook and blow up the rear , which I don't really care so much as it would give me an excuse to spend more money I the car, but more concerned about getting it back on the trailer. I am 100 miles from closest track (ATCO)

Yes my axle tubes are definitely welded.
http://www.s197forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2192990&postcount=47

 

[TRC51]

LOL you're my biggest fan I see. Don't be upset you got called out for spewing bullshit. You have no evidence to back up your claims. A GOOD TUNE and under 500RWHP will live quite some time on stock rotating assembly in a 3V. Don't mistake FACTS for my opinion.

JDM told me 450whp was about the limit. But I also agree (based on reading only) the tune AND setup make all the difference. No experience....just from what I have noted here.

 

[07TGGT]

JDM told me 450whp was about the limit. But I also agree (based on reading only) the tune AND setup make all the difference. No experience....just from what I have noted here.

I don't have experience with building a 3V or pushing a stock rotating assembly's limits but when several, and I mean several members have gone through all the motions and have ran stock setups around 450RWHP, it's a fact what a 3V is able to handle.

Him spewing that bullshit would be like me talking about how 5.0s can't be tuned otherwise they'll lose #8. A complete uneducated statement only which some fool would repeat. That's my point.

 

[skwerl]

I don't have experience with building a 3V or pushing a stock rotating assembly's limits but when several, and I mean several members have gone through all the motions and have ran stock setups around 450RWHP, it's a fact what a 3V is able to handle.

Him spewing that bullshit would be like me talking about how 5.0s can't be tuned otherwise they'll lose #8. A complete uneducated statement only which some fool would repeat. That's my point.

Everything after the 'but' is irrelevant. Holy shit this place is turning into one giant daycare center. Just STFU already and leave the tech to people who know what the fuck they are talking about.

 

[skwerl]

Oh, and the OP is a fucking douchebag liar and thief who tried to rip me off several years ago. Who gives a fuck what he does with his POS car?

 

[cm581978]

You need to head back to the track!

Yes my axle tubes are definitely welded.
http://www.s197forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2192990&postcount=47

 

[07TGGT]

Everything after the 'but' is irrelevant. Holy shit this place is turning into one giant daycare center. Just STFU already and leave the tech to people who know what the fuck they are talking about.

How so? So you want people to just put out completely wrong information? That's not what this forum has ever been about, so I don't see how my post is irrelevant. It's just like when you had members here try to give you information about your new home, we're here to help each other, so chill out Brian. All you Brians have been bitchy lately.

 

[darrens07gt]

LOL you're my biggest fan I see. Don't be upset you got called out for spewing bullshit. You have no evidence to back up your claims. A GOOD TUNE and under 500RWHP will live quite some time on stock rotating assembly in a 3V. Don't mistake FACTS for my opinion.

I seriously doubt you have any fans, LOL. And I respectfully disagree with your opinion on 500 RWHP. Now if you had said under 450 RWHP with a good tune then I could agree with you. You also have to remember that we are not only talking about the motors here. You also have to factor the transmission into the equasion.

The TR3560 is only rated for 360 TQ. That's why a lot of people end up switching to a T56 magnum or even an auto when they start hitting 450+ RWHP. And I know from experience that there is nothing cheap about swapping transmissions especially when it's not a direct bolt-in replacement.

 

[07TGGT]

I seriously doubt you have any fans, LOL. And I respectfully disagree with your opinion on 500 RWHP. Now if you had said under 450 RWHP with a good tune then I could agree with you. You also have to remember that we are not only talking about the motors here. You also have to factor the transmission into the equasion.

The TR3560 is only rated for 360 TQ. That's why a lot of people end up switching to a T56 magnum or even an auto when they start hitting 450+ RWHP. And I know from experience that there is nothing cheap about swapping transmissions especially when it's not a direct bolt-in replacement.

Sarcasm dumbass, but that must fly right over your head like everything else. Disagree all you want, but try telling that to the people who have been doing it. I'm not the only one to say what I am saying either but yet it's funny how you only have an issue with me.

As far as the TR3560, yes, it can break, but like anything else, it's all about the setup, and plenty of guys have taken it past 400RWHP. Like I said, learn the facts, speculation and bullshit don't really cut it in the forum.

 

[darrens07gt]

Sarcasm dumbass, but that must fly right over your head like everything else. Disagree all you want, but try telling that to the people who have been doing it. I'm not the only one to say what I am saying either but yet it's funny how you only have an issue with me.

As far as the TR3560, yes, it can break, but like anything else, it's all about the setup, and plenty of guys have taken it past 400RWHP. Like I said, learn the facts, speculation and bullshit don't really cut it in the forum.

Sarcasm on the internet is such a waste of time. Much like trying to debate anything with you. But that's ok. At least your profanity was toned down a little in this response. Check out this link:

http://www.ehow.com/way_6106620_much-mustang-gt-motor-handle_.html

I copied and pasted the most relevent paragrah below. I have done countless hours of research on this matter since I was very interested in modding my 07 GT and 450 RWHP seems to be the most popular answer to the question of how much power can a stock 3V motor handle. Think there is a reason for that?

[FONT=lev_serifhandcut]RPM vs. Boost[/FONT]
o The 2005 Mod motor is limited by its connecting rods, which can withstand only about 6,500 RPM (perhaps 7,000 for short periods). If you're planning to make big power on a stock block, you're better off installing a bolt-on supercharger or turbo system than trying to rev the thing to death. Boost pressure puts more pressure on the pistons but puts far less pressure on the connecting rods. Ford actually engineered the engine to save would-be hot-rodders from themselves; while the heads are more than capable of carrying increased RPM, the valve springs will lose their ability to keep up at around 7,000. A good rule of thumb is that if you have to replace the valve springs, then you'd be wise to do the connecting rods as well. Get the best you can afford, and don't worry about weight; you'll be happier with forged rods that don't explode than aluminum ones that do. About 400 to 450 horsepower is generally acknowledged as the upper limit for a boosted setup on a completely stock motor. You'll need lower-compression pistons to get above that, anyway.