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06silverbullet
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oh hell na you didn't just call us ricers. it's wrong to ask for an engine that can put out 100hp per liter n/a with todays tech and the for what we pay we should. look at any other foreign company they all can produce a smaller motor with some having even less cylinders and make the same power as some of our v8's
Not impressed with the LS7 either.
IMHO, 7.0 liters in a 'sports car' should pump out 600+HP
With all those cubes... We should be asking why they don't pump out more
the 5.4 DOHC All-Alluminum Ford SHOULD be hitting 500 in N/A form.
This is just my opinion, if you both don't agree with it, that's fine with me.
On another note... In case all the 5.0 fan boys missed it...
Hyundai's new 5.0L pumps out more than Ford's "legendary" new 5.0
at the end of the day it's still a kia yuck
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Driven them a couple times. Seats suck, but other wise it's a BAMF... (my favorite Vette is still the 1970 LS5 I learned to do donuts in when I was a kid).
I stated early that the z06 would be my choice over the zl1 and caddy. I have no aversion to the car (besides the seats which are aweful for a car of that caliber). I think it's the BEST sports car for the money.
So you know. I'm currently working on increasing my chest hair output while going bald on top so I will look perfect in one! I'm just a couple years away!
look... I'm just not impressed with big cubes making big power... sue me.
I like some GM motors, I guess my fav is the 302 in the GEN1 Z/28... underrated at 290 hp, and in optional dual carb trim, actual output was thought to be very close to 400! That Sucker would rev to 7K with ease, too!
...and here we are today happy about a 5.0 making 412, and a 6.2 making alittle more...
Ford's 6.2 make over 400HP... call me unimpressed with that one, too.
Why's it old? Why is it stupid? Why is it Rice?
Toyota makes a big v8, too
Seriously, If all you can do is resort to name calling because others aren't impressed with big cube motors, you have bigger issues, like maybe selling your 4.6
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I didn't say anything related to ricers...
? the HP per liter argument is ricer when you compare a 4cyl to an 8cyl and talk about how your car mathematically makes more horsepower but is slower... that's when it turns ricer.
Realize that line, because the HP/liter between two v8's is a valid conversation for all involved except the dude dismissing it because ricers use it as an excuse for their missing cylinders.
now add something constructive and tone down the aggression I can assure you that you aren't very intimidating.
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I'm not impressed with the Ford 6.2 either, should be pushing 11:1 like the 5.0 then we'd have some real shit to talk about...Better yet, make it 13:1
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What part of 383 lb ft @ 6100 rpm vs 470 lb ft at 4800 is hard to understand. Now if the S85 was in a car that weighed as much as the Z06 and geared accordingly possibly it would be better. But the engines size and weight make the LS7 a better engine. And I really don't need to speak on reliablity ....the LS7 has a 100k powertrain warranty....its the highest output N/A engine with that kind of coverage.
I have a BMW and I love the cars, but when my N/A off bottle H/C/ bolt on C5 used to rape M5's and M6's do you think there higher technology was worth anything? The motors come in heavy ass cars, and in that class the LSA which is in the Camaro comes in the CTS-V which is faster than any M5 or M6 stock.
Race car engineers don't get concerned with hp per liter unless its a displacement limited class. Its simply power density hp per lb is the most important measurement.
Yes and stock for stock or mod for mod since we can't race engines the Z06 7.0 rapes the Mustang 5.0. So specific output is ricer math no matter what or how you look at it, unless you know a class where they just race engines by themselves?
Technology does not always produce a better engine even AMG when given a clean sheet and a big budget preferred a high revving and relatively big cube V8. A big and heavy DOHC engine would not work in a Vette they could have kept developing the ahead of its time LT5 but they realized how much farther they could take pushrod technology without having to pay for DOHC tech with increased size and weight. A 5.0 no matter what you do to it will not feel like an LS7 a motor with a lot of power under the curve and a thirst for high revs.
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Enjoy arguing with yourself about huge engines beating small engines and how it's cool and a total shock.
nighty night
There is no replacement for displacement but boost, and even that won't give you the feel of a big cube engine. Look at PFS racer who made 900 rwhp N/A ....put that in your specific output calculator.
Vapour Trails
The Renaissance Man
Only if you have convinced yourself it is. I see as a solid 2nd place to the GT500 in every measurable way. But you won't have to take my word for it, the stats will roll in eventually. It won't beat the Gt500 in a straight line or around a track or look as good doing it.
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I honestly think that getting the ZL1 to handle like the GT500 is the hard part, they already have the speed part covered. The heavier CTS-V is just as fast as the GT500.
1andonlywhitie
The Australian...
There's engineering in NASCAR?
Lol. They only just made the switch to fuel injection. I'd say they're about 20 years behind in the engine department.
stang06gt
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LS7 is an impressive engine by any standards. When they were doing reliability test on it during the engineering phase they were able to rev it to 10k rpm but without the proper intake manifold and cam it made no power there. Either way the rotating assembly could take it.
i guess when the C6 z06 stops beating everything on the road maybe they will do something about it but you know the saying, don't fix whats not broken.
what do the m6, f430, and 911 turbo have in common? they are all significantly more expensive than the z, get worse gas mileage and get raped in acceleration, braking and handling tests...yep sure sounds like z has got some work to do
what do the m6, f430, and 911 turbo have in common? they are all significantly more expensive than the z, get worse gas mileage and get raped in acceleration, braking and handling tests...yep sure sounds like z has got some work to do
i guess when the C6 z06 stops beating everything on the road maybe they will do something about it but you know the saying, don't fix whats not broken.
what do the m6, f430, and 911 turbo have in common? they are all significantly more expensive than the z, get worse gas mileage and get raped in acceleration, braking and handling tests...yep sure sounds like z has got some work to do
You think a corvette is better than a ferrari and a porsche because it's faster?
My cousin has a 9 second civic, is that better than a ferrari too?
bullittrevor
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Are people really trying to argue the 5.0 vs a c6 z06? The two cars aren't even in the same category. The z06 is better in almost every category imaginable. Chevy created super car performance in a car that is half the price of most of it's competition. Funny that a base level vette and even the c5z06 are better than the 5.0 stock for stock performance wise.
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06MUSTANGGT24V
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To each their own! I think getting close to 30mpg out of a 7.0l car for the price of a Z06 is awesome. However you can't beat the sex appeal of an exotic. I see the positives in both, doesn't make either one crap!
did i say that?
you just keep trying to compare hp/liter against it because you feel inferior. we are not arguing interiors or fit and finish here.
like i said when the vette starts loosing in what it was designed to do, they will change it.
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