Newby with blown engine/Whipple

[Grabber07']

So, according to more that one... if a shop owner/employee, take your car out and distroy it... all they need to to to be slick with you, is fix the little mishap; whatever I told you broke? Shake hands and were all good?


Wow...

If hes going to upgrade my block from stock to forged...then I will only kick him in the nuts once...instead of murdering him

 

[chad05gt]

If hes going to upgrade my block from stock to forged...then I will only kick him in the nuts once...instead of murdering him

K, thats better... I'd still get legal support to make sure they do what they told, and do it RIGHT. They lost thier rep when they did what they did, and admit to doing it.

you can get ALOT more, and save the kick if you handle this right...

 

[Vapour Trails]

yea, 1500 for an installed Eagle shortblock would be a waste of $$

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Please tell me you are not THAT stupid...



... please!?!

Where did I say anything about an eagle shortblock, numbnuts? Refering to the original supercharger install by the dealer. I think it is better to save the $1500 installation price and not have a warranty. But the dealer isn't even involved in this apparently.

 

[Agent Jones]

how much HP and PSI were you running when they blew it?

 

[2005 white s197]

Do the right thing and have them order a MMR short block and call it a day, can't go wrong with MMR.........

 

[retfr8flyr]

Do the right thing and have them order a MMR short block and call it a day, can't go wrong with MMR.........

What fucking world do you live in? OP stay far far away from MMR.


Earl

 

[ChevyKiller]

This isnt being done by a dealership. I believe he was getting some different kind of work done...either to the exterior or interior at a local shop. Not a dealership.

The shop took the car for a joy ride from what I can tell and popped the motor. I believe they realized their mistake and are trying to make good on the deal. They are having a local perf shop order and install the parts.

Again this is not a delership that is going to warranty the work.

I am not the owner of the car....so I dont know the full details. But I know the driver...hes a stand up guy.

But before calling BS...read what he wrote

"Since it was at an insured vendor when it happened it will be covered by insurance. The offer I am getting from the vendor is to have the engine rebuilt at a reputable engine builder here in state."

I dont see where he ever said the dealership was paying? An Insured Vendor is what was said. That vendor blew the motor while driving it. Why they were driving it in the first place is beyond me...and probably why they are paying for the mistake

Not sure why they are upgrading the motor though....stock parts would suffice. But again...they were possibly being retarted while driving the car and know they F-up and want to make it right. At least thats what I think.

That makes a whole lot more sense. The orginal post is kind of deceiving and lead to the conclusion it was a warranty install of the whipple which could have only been a dealership. Makes much more sense now...

 

[Grabber07']

That makes a whole lot more sense. The orginal post is kind of deceiving and lead to the conclusion it was a warranty install of the whipple which could have only been a dealership. Makes much more sense now...

I believe that a dealership installed the whipple and installed the tune, but another shop did the dirty work of throwing a rod.

Not sure how they popped the motor at the claimed 3400 rpms. The scene from FARRIS BUELER keeps running through my mind

 

[eleanor06]

I have no doubt that the painter is using his circle of friends to make this right. The mechanic is the owner of the engine building company. I called him directly to question how this was going to go down and he told me the engine would be better than before. He only uses Eagle parts since he builds racing engines and stated that he had no interest in rebuilding it stock using a different brand. I called Eagle directly and reviewed what parts were ordered which also seems to check out. As far as why someone would do this for their customer- The reason is that this painter does high end paint jobs for the Mustang community and he is not going to lose that business over $2000.00 in parts. Especially when he has a network of friends that can do the labor and provide the build sheet for everything they do. The painter did not admit to any wrong doing at all and is adamant that he was not joy riding in it. It is a Cervini Mustang with side exhaust and he was driving it to a lift to spot weld the exhaust. I find no real value in challenging him on the circumstances, considering the approach he has taken I feel it in my best interest to work with him at this point.

The main advice I was looking for is verification that I wasn’t getting screwed. The engine builder nor the painter offered the upgrade from cast crank to Forged, the folks at Eagle stated that was a weak point so I took advantage of the opportunity and free labor. There is a good chance that on Dyno day I tell the performance shop to put the ford racing tune back on it and be done with it. I spoke with Dustin at Whipple and for my needs I can go with that tune and be happy. I appreciate everyone taking the time to give me feedback.

 

[1FastS197]

I have no doubt that the painter is using his circle of friends to make this right. The mechanic is the owner of the engine building company. I called him directly to question how this was going to go down and he told me the engine would be better than before. He only uses Eagle parts since he builds racing engines and stated that he had no interest in rebuilding it stock using a different brand. I called Eagle directly and reviewed what parts were ordered which also seems to check out. As far as why someone would do this for their customer- The reason is that this painter does high end paint jobs for the Mustang community and he is not going to lose that business over $2000.00 in parts. Especially when he has a network of friends that can do the labor and provide the build sheet for everything they do. The painter did not admit to any wrong doing at all and is adamant that he was not joy riding in it. It is a Cervini Mustang with side exhaust and he was driving it to a lift to spot weld the exhaust. I find no real value in challenging him on the circumstances, considering the approach he has taken I feel it in my best interest to work with him at this point.

The main advice I was looking for is verification that I wasn’t getting screwed. The engine builder nor the painter offered the upgrade from cast crank to Forged, the folks at Eagle stated that was a weak point so I took advantage of the opportunity and free labor. There is a good chance that on Dyno day I tell the performance shop to put the ford racing tune back on it and be done with it. I spoke with Dustin at Whipple and for my needs I can go with that tune and be happy. I appreciate everyone taking the time to give me feedback.

if it was me, then i would go ahead and get the forged crank... i talked to a good friend which is an engine builder and he said some people believe that a cast block will hold boost better... like he stated, I have no idea if it will hold better or not but the two fastest mod motors in the world are both aluminum block motors...

 

[Vapour Trails]

It's going to be really hard to leave the my keys with any shop now. He must have been into some boost for the engine to go. Just driving from A to B doesn't require any boost whatsoever. He's doing this for you so he doesn't have to show up in court one day.

 

[ChevyKiller]

Ditto - get the forged crank - I think it would be foolish not to with your new build.

I don't see you going anywhere near the direction that would require a billet crank so the forged would hold you nicely to well beyond where you will probably ever go.

 

[eleanor06]

Pic prior to Boom

 

[Grabber07']

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I need to see your car in person Kevin....it is one sweet looking ride!

Glad the painter is making it right. What was he welding if you dont mind me asking? and what were you getting done at the shop?

 

[silverpoison]

nice looking car man.

 

[ChevyKiller]

Purdy...

Was it a Roush before you got the Cervini kit?

 

[eleanor06]

Last pic

Not a Roush, That was a mustang after market badge that the previous owner had on there. I liked the way it looked until I went to a car show and realized that it looked like a Roush emblem . It now has powered by ford emblems. Granted those badges were off a shelby but at least the statement is true.

 

[ChevyKiller]

Cool beans and nice car!

 

[chad05gt]

Hey Guys,

I “HAD” a 2006 Mustang GT with a Whipple HO Supercharger installed in November of last year. The engine was bone stock and had a Ford Racing dealer tune installed. This last week the engine through a rod through the bottom of the block creating an opportunity for a rebuild. Since it was at an insured vendor when it happened it will be covered by insurance. The offer I am getting from the vendor is to have the engine rebuilt at a reputable engine builder here in state. The engine builder plans to take a Romeo block out of a 2003 cobra and stage it with Eagle rotating assembly, eagle forged rods and Arias pistons. I spoke with Eagle and they stated that the cast crank would be weakest part of the bottom end and be rated at 500HP. The Engine builder has not given me a max HP number but has stated that the Whipple can do 500HP and not cause issue with the engine. I also have the opportunity to upgrade the crank (at my cost/$800.00) now to a forged crank if I so desire.


Guys I am in no way a mechanic and have no idea what the pitfalls might be. Here are my general questions and I appreciate your feedback

Should I be worried about a 2003 cobra block considering what I had was a 2006 block with 21k miles
If I add the forged crank what is the next weakest point on the engine?
What is the new safe HP number now that the bottom end is forged? For example 450HP use to be my safe number. I understand that there are numerous supporting mods needed to do before uping the boost.
The scary part about this is I don’t know what I don’t know, I am not a racer but would like the car to be stronger than what I had.

2006 Ford Mustang
4.10 gears
Whipple Supercharger HO/intercooled and installed by Grand Prairie Ford
Stock suspension
Stock Brakes
21k miles on car before failure
Unused SCT tuner

Where did I say anything about an eagle shortblock, numbnuts? Refering to the original supercharger install by the dealer. I think it is better to save the $1500 installation price and not have a warranty. But the dealer isn't even involved in this apparently.

numbnuts... that is a big word for someone that dosent even read the first post.




Showin' your ass, huh!?!

 

[maxpayne]

do you think that that would've happen if you were using a 93 octane,or octane booster?