Should BMR make an axle tube brace for the S197?

[BlackDragon]

I'm in for thisssssss

 

[05stroker]

My shit is welded up tight, but still in to see the design.

 

[Kalatrax]

Development of a BMR Axle Brace will start next week.

This is going to delay our Watts release........so it better be worth it, or I am going to ban all of you.

Axle Brace > Watts Link

Get to it!

 

[JEWC_Motorsports]

Is it done yet?

 

[fdjizm]

How bout now?
My money is ready.

 

[GoneFord]

Hey Kelly, is it done yet?

 

[Unreal]

Money ready to go.

 

[ZmanM3]

Development of a BMR Axle Brace will start next week.

This is going to delay our Watts release........so it better be worth it, or I am going to ban all of you.

Time to start a "should BMR make a watts link?" Poll.

 

[Whiskey11]

Axle Brace > Watts Link

Get to it!

You've obviously never driven a Mustang with a watts link... An axle brace will do NOTHING for how the car drives, a watts link has a PROFOUND impact on how these cars drive. Go ahead and ask me how I know!

Have fun with your axle weights, err, I mean brace. The rest of the world would like another watts link option.

 

[Boaisy]

 

[BMR Tech]

Whiskey, we will be releasing a Watts.

As for the axle brace, it is a smart decision for us to get that piece designed and released before the Watts. The only thing it will do to the Watts process at BMR is delay the release by a few months.

 

[YoungPony]

You've obviously never driven a Mustang with a watts link... An axle brace will do NOTHING for how the car drives, a watts link has a PROFOUND impact on how these cars drive. Go ahead and ask me how I know!

Have fun with your axle weights, err, I mean brace. The rest of the world would like another watts link option.

I'm pretty sure the guy meant that he felt the axle brace was more important in production than the watts link. It obviously wont improve the way the vehicle drives but seeing as how it's a drag racing orientated part, handling is down the list next to fitting 10" wide front rims haha

I will definitely buy one Kelly.

 

[Tight Lines]

Nice!

 

[weather man]

Whiskey, we will be releasing a Watts.

As for the axle brace, it is a smart decision for us to get that piece designed and released before the Watts. The only thing it will do to the Watts process at BMR is delay the release by a few months.

I'll be looking for deal on the rear sway bar, brace and relocation brackets when they are all out. I suspect you will sell a LOT of those packages.

 

[Whiskey11]

I'm pretty sure the guy meant that he felt the axle brace was more important in production than the watts link. It obviously wont improve the way the vehicle drives but seeing as how it's a drag racing orientated part, handling is down the list next to fitting 10" wide front rims haha

I will definitely buy one Kelly.

I will say it again, apparently he's never driven a car with a watts link. It has plenty of advantages for the drag crowd, namely straighter launches and the ability to fit wider wheels and tires without rubbing on the fenders because of the arc the rear suspension moves in on squat. More importantly it handles bumps significantly better than a PHB configuration does and I know drag strips are not perfectly flat!

I don't see an axle brace doing a whole lot for these cars and that is especially true if you look at the way the current offering (CHE) mounts to the rear axle. The way it is mounted braces it in the camber change direction which is probably the least changed direction on launching the car. The brace really needs to be at the same height as the axle tubes and bracing it in the toe direction.

Or if using alignment settings is too confusing to establish planes, the CHE brace braces the axle in the front/rear view which braces the axle against a force that it will most likely never see, that force being something pushing heavily in the center of the rear axle. About the only advantage I see it providing is the ability to use it as a jacking point.

The direction it NEEDS to brace the rear axle in is the plan view. Something that the CHE unit attempts to do in a different plane and is horribly inefficient at doing. The launch forces are going to attempt to fold the axle forward, not upward.

If I were designing an axle brace it would look similar to this:

Even that looks like a lot of dead weight to me. How many people are folding their rear axles on drag launches vs twisting tubes and shattering differentials?

 

[Kalatrax]

I will say it again, apparently he's never driven a car with a watts link. It has plenty of advantages for the drag crowd, namely straighter launches and the ability to fit wider wheels and tires without rubbing on the fenders because of the arc the rear suspension moves in on squat. More importantly it handles bumps significantly better than a PHB configuration does and I know drag strips are not perfectly flat!

I don't see an axle brace doing a whole lot for these cars and that is especially true if you look at the way the current offering (CHE) mounts to the rear axle. The way it is mounted braces it in the camber change direction which is probably the least changed direction on launching the car. The brace really needs to be at the same height as the axle tubes and bracing it in the toe direction.

Or if using alignment settings is too confusing to establish planes, the CHE brace braces the axle in the front/rear view which braces the axle against a force that it will most likely never see, that force being something pushing heavily in the center of the rear axle. About the only advantage I see it providing is the ability to use it as a jacking point.

The direction it NEEDS to brace the rear axle in is the plan view. Something that the CHE unit attempts to do in a different plane and is horribly inefficient at doing. The launch forces are going to attempt to fold the axle forward, not upward.

If I were designing an axle brace it would look similar to this:

Even that looks like a lot of dead weight to me. How many people are folding their rear axles on drag launches vs twisting tubes and shattering differentials?

I'd rather not spend $1k+ on a watts link. I did in fact mean that I would rather have an axle brace than a watts link. I also don't have issues running wide enough tires or going straight with those tires. We like to race in different ways and an axle brace is what I need. Your also critiquing a Whiteline part when this is a thread about an unknown BMR design. What if BMR's design helps prevent axle twisting?

 

[Boaisy]

Whiteline's Watts is about $899 at the most. Steeda, however, exceeds $1,000. I have to agree with Whiskey. Yes most ATBs are $200-$400 (maybe more if there are more extreme designs out there) vs. the $800-$1,000 WL market, but a WL makes a whole lot more improvement over ATB. If you weld the tubes (+Watts Link), I'm sure that is good enough to prevent the twisting of the housing.

As for width of tires, he is referring to tire widths greater than 10". Ask Terry and the guys at Vorshlag on why they picked the Whiteline WL over other options. One of the reasons was they started having issues with 11"-12" wide wheels on other WL/PHB kits.

 

[Whiskey11]

I'd rather not spend $1k+ on a watts link. I did in fact mean that I would rather have an axle brace than a watts link. I also don't have issues running wide enough tires or going straight with those tires. We like to race in different ways and an axle brace is what I need. Your also critiquing a Whiteline part when this is a thread about an unknown BMR design. What if BMR's design helps prevent axle twisting?

I'm not critiquing any Whiteline part, I'm critiquing CHE's axle brace. I'm curious to see what BMR comes up with for an axle brace, I really just don't see the need on these cars. By the time I'd be pushing big power and launching hard I'd be looking at a 9" rear end ANYWAY to avoid rules about C-Clip axles and all that headache.

The least expensive Watts link right now is $650 and is the Fays2 Unit. It's under my car, multiple seasons of autocross and works just great. If BMR releases their Watts for under $500 and it gives you plenty of tuning options then it will be a great piece to put under a car. More so than an axle brace anyway.

 

[fdjizm]

Uhh there are tons of watts links out. One fuckin axle brace, meet the demand simple business.

 

[JEWC_Motorsports]

Whiskey I guess all of the twisted axle tubes would be a reason for needing an axle brace. Just my guess though.