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TfnG

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I'm lookin to do some track days this summer with my 08 GT. I'm not looking to go all out and spend several grand...but looking for better handling and less body roll. My suspension is bone stock currently. Also, the car is only driven a few thousand miles a year...not too worried about ride comfort. I'm more interested in a suspension that works well. It's hard to find much info on mustang suspension that doesn't involve going in a straight line.

I'm thinking of either falken azenis rt615 tires or maybe a more race type tire...r888, etc.

A little info on me...came from karting to my own NASA spec focus for a season but ran out of $$ on that one. So anyway, I've got road racing experience, but none with mustangs.

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Thomas
 

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TfnG, there is tons of info on suspensions mods, i would think that with your experience with the focus, you would be comfortable with certain brand products. i won't even go into all that cause it will vary from person to person. reading users sigs will tell you what some are using. i can only say this much, my car from experience (08' aswell) is extremely flat and i do not have the high dollar shocks, but a good mix of products that "work together" (being the key terms here). i am sure this thread will get its fair share of opinions. good luck!
 

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First off, welcome to our little community of like minded rabid idiots!

The good news is that we can CERTAINLY help you spend your money, without a problem! The bad news is that it takes cubic money to mod up the S197 chassis... Honestly, the stock suspension isn't bad, BUT there are lots of places to make improvements, it just all costs money. Personally, I would approach it in a sequence: Tires and brakes, dampers/springs, swaybars, and then hardware. For tires, if you're comfortable on R-compounds, then go that route, otherwise, look for something like a Dunlop Star Spec, and 275/35-18 seems to be the popular choice. For brakes, the stock setup works surprisingly well with good pads, just make sure you add ducts to the front, and run an aggressive pad, like a Hawk DTC or Carbotech XP12, with the rear compound stepped down one notch. That, right there, will get you started.

After that, dampers and springs. Think hard about where you want to go, since it's VERY easy to spend money over and over again on these for incremental gains. I would posit that the best bet is to bite the bullet and go straight for coilovers. Grond-Control (Koni) and KW V3 for the low end, and KW Clubsport, Tein, or AST at the high end. For whatever reason, these cars tend to like softer spring rates, in the 350/300 -ish range.

For bars, there's only one choice in my book: Stranoparts. They're the only one (AFAIK) making adjustable rears, and if you're serious about suspension tuning, that's something you'll want.

Last, you can go absolutely ape on the assorted hardware. The rear control arms are the weakest bit on the car, but you'll want to avoid poly bushings for hardcore use, since the deflection on roll will tear them up, sooner rather than later. Think rod ends. After that, it's just bushings, possibly ball joints (Steeda X5 if you wind up slammed, requires a bump-steer kit as well), and that's really about it.

Each step, however, is at least a couple thousand, so.... Oh, last warning: Consumables expense compared to the Focus will be HUGE. Brakes are more expensive, and don't last, ditto with the tires.

Hope that helps!
 
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Hope that helps!

You probably scared the crap out of him...

For my two cents, I took my stock mustang to the track last year and loved it right up to the point I boiled the brake fluid. So, first mod would be the brakes. Use a good fluid (ATE Superblue is a good start - I boiled the Prestone DOT4) and some new pads and if you can swing it, brake ducting. Another nice and sometimes cheap mod is to find a set of GT500 front brakes if you can find a good takeoff set (I got mine for $550 - calipers, rotors, and pads)

I do agree though, Mustang parts will be a little more expensive than your focus, and the expendables won't last long.
 
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Telling you the absolute truth, but maybe a bit more than what you're looking for.

Let's be easy on him, Dave. Remember he's coming from a car with half the power/fun.


You probably scared the crap out of him...

:roflmao:


'm more interested in a suspension that works well. It's hard to find much info on mustang suspension that doesn't involve going in a straight line.


You've come to the right place, my friend.

I bet you are going to get a million answers, but Dave has given you some things to seriously consider and I would take it to heart. I've seen people with the mentality of previous generation mustangs throw their wallets at their car upgrading everything off the bat..and they sucked at driving making their money spent pointless. If money is limited, the car is not terrible with a good tire/brake package alone. I can guarantee it will be much more fun than your focus. (Not talking shit, as I like those cars and Dave has one for a DD.)

I personally I had a complete eibach kit and now I'm going to coilovers. If I had the chance to do it over again, I would have just ponied up the dough for them the first time around and saved some time/money. But, it all comes down to how much you've got to work with. As said above, the best advise is to work on tires and brakes first, THEN call a reputable vendor such as Sam Strano. I bet he can work with your budget and provide more insight towards your personal situation. He's a vendor that actually races and can steer you in the right path without pissing away $$$.
 

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thanks a lot for the help. i just wanted to ask before spending money on stuff that i knew i could get answers to on here. it seems to me like everybody has a mixture of stuff to make the car work for them, so i just wanted some input on that.

the Maximum Motorsports kit for the s197's looks pretty good. i like that it has caster/camber plates. also it offers adjustable ride height, but does not use coilovers. once again, just wanted to ask around.

i definitely know that keeping brake temps as low as possible with ducts, etc is something to look into. also, im very familiar with brake fluids and Motul will be my choice for sure.

and last...dont be hatin on the low HP fwd cars!!! i love fwd touring cars and i really enjoy their characteristics. i actually had a subaru sti that i ran autox's with and really like awd cars also. the whole rwd thing honestly scares me a bit...but im gonna take a crack at em and see how i like it.

thanks again for the help
 

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Do yourself a favor and call Sam Strano. This guy knows his stuff better than almost anyone. He can give you the pros and cons of any suspension question you have, but just be prepared for the lengthy phone call!!
 

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ABSOLUTELY no hating going on over here... My DD is a 2007 Focus ST, which is a real BLAST to drive. The Mustang is still more fun on the track, though! Where you would toss the Spec Focus (SF) into a turn, you have to, well, "manage" the S197 on entry, and take a much later apex, but by god, the acceleration to corner exit is pure bliss!
 
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No hatin here. I'm down with focuses (or is it foci?) Just saying it's a bit of a gap between the two cars and you'll be having fun without overhauling the car.
 

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RT615s are "autocross" tires and get slick when they get hot. I had a set and they were horrible for daily use (I was one of the guinea pigs for them) even with only ~420rwhp.

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so whats a good set of brake pads for a once a month track car. 30 days DD 1 or 2 days raced
 

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If you dont have a lot of cash, just getting a rear sway bar could be good. I took my 100% stock mustang to a track day and just plowed all day long. I tried every different way to enter a corner, and the back would not swing out. Ford has them set up like that for safety. You put a stiffer rear swaybar, on then you'll be more balanced mid-corner, which will be more fun. Course.. this is more dangerous as you'll spin more easily. But I think the rear swaybar is the first step towards a road course set-up over a street set-up.
 

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will a 255 tire fit on the stock 17x8 wheels?

thanks for that rt615 info. i ran them on my autocrosser STi.
 

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Ok great. I was thinking 255/40/17 hankook ventus rs3 tires, hawk dtc 70 front pads, dtc 60 rear, SS brake lines, motul fluid and the Quantum brake ducts.

Look like a good list?
 

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Hello
Like mentioned above Sam Strano is a very highly experienced person when it comes to suspension. And I just wanted to leave you know that he is also a vendor of UMI Performance. And we do offer a wide variety of suspension parts that I am sure that will meet your needs. Below is a link to show you what we have to offer!

http://www.umiperformance.com/catal...ducts_id=269&zenid=htdvk4m33mkf39o5hov32gp3s2

If you have any other questions feel free to ask! And remember when you purchase from UMI Performance you are getting a tested and approved product that is made right here at our own facility.
Thanks
Brad :D
 

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i can vouch for the UMI products...great price and quality...and Sam Strano carries the brand!
 

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Ok great. I was thinking 255/40/17 hankook ventus rs3 tires, hawk dtc 70 front pads, dtc 60 rear, SS brake lines, motul fluid and the Quantum brake ducts.

Look like a good list?

Got nothing on the tires, but the rest of the list sounds spot on. Won't do a thing for body roll, brake dive, or understeer tendencies, but that will certainly get you out and allow you to hustle without worrying about the brakes! All in all, a great place to start.
 

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1. Brake pads - EBC Yellow to start
2. SS braided lines,
3. Redline brake fluid.
4. Brake ducts (Agent 47, others)
5. Tires, I thought the KDW's weren't bad to start.
6. Shocks, sway bars - Lots of options here . Like everyone says, talk to Strano.

Run 91 or 93 octane even if you have stock tune.
 

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