Who makes GOOD cold air intakes???

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07GTMAN

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I've been looking at getting a cold air for my car. I, myself, have narrowed it down to K&N or AIRAID. I don't have a tuner so i would like one that doesn't require a tune. These both do not. The AIRAID has the modular venturi tube that can be removed if you want to get a tune. I was leaning toward that one but still wonder if K&N would be better quality. I need to talk to people to help make my decision. Any suggestions are welcome.

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Hey,

I've been looking at getting a cold air for my car. I, myself, have narrowed it down to K&N or AIRAID. I don't have a tuner so i would like one that doesn't require a tune. These both do not. The AIRAID has the modular venturi tube that can be removed if you want to get a tune. I was leaning toward that one but still wonder if K&N would be better quality. I need to talk to people to help make my decision. Any suggestions are welcome.

thank you

There OK You really don't get that much performance with one without a tune, I had the Air Charger and the dyno only showed 5hp. but they do make it sound more aggressive.


you will have just as much performance gain with my home made version.

Costs:
29.95 for Filter
if you don't like chopping up your intake you can buy a lid from a junk yard for 10 bucks
or find a stock box on ebay.
the heat shield is from a JLT II but you can use any brand again search the forums or
ebay or buy direct from JLT for about 20 bucks. works just as good as the K&N and your not throwing
away your money when your ready to buy a C&L or JLT II and Tune.
 

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I would get a CAI/Hand Held package. The hand helds come with a tune installed on them. That would be a better choice for you IMHO...
 

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Hey,

I've been looking at getting a cold air for my car. I, myself, have narrowed it down to K&N or AIRAID. I don't have a tuner so i would like one that doesn't require a tune. These both do not. The AIRAID has the modular venturi tube that can be removed if you want to get a tune. I was leaning toward that one but still wonder if K&N would be better quality. I need to talk to people to help make my decision. Any suggestions are welcome.

thank you

Oh and Welcome to the Board many good people here an tons of good information.
 

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Your best bet would be to buy an JLT2/SCT xcal2 from bamachips. With just a K&N or Airaid your not going to gain but 5 horsepower. With the JLT2/SCT tune you'll get over 20 rwhp.
 

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I agree with everyone....JLT/ SCT X2 Tuner were the best things i did for my car.
 

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C&L now sells their street CAI with a "no tune" insert. You can run that until you decide to go with a tuner and then just take the insert out, load the tune and you're golden!! C&L is proven stuff that will deliver the power!

I was going to go that route until I decided to either go 100% or not at all and did the JLT2/Xcal2 from Brenspeed. I have since gotten a custom dyno tune from Bamachips. Either Brenspeed or Bamachips are excellent choices if you decide to go with a tuner.
 

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JLT is the best on the market. Tested too. Getting a tuner is nice too because you have one for when you need it. Gaining 20hp..... never seen that before. maybe 10 if your lucky. With a good full exhaust, 20hp no problem. Only way you willl get 20hp from an intake is if your blown

JLT: http://www.americanmuscle.com/jlt-2005-2006-gt-cai.html
combo: http://jlttruecoldair.com/zencart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_9_25_43&products_id=86

THE BEST!!!!!!Livewire is worth every penny. I am switching to this as well:
http://jlttruecoldair.com/zencart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_9_25_43&products_id=131
 
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i got 298/305 with just a JLT and xcal tune on a dynojet. No point in getting a CAI without a tuner, save yoru money.

plug - I have my JLT cai sitting in the garage. Only used for 2k miles. Id sell it for 90+shipping. nothing wrong with it.
 

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Steeda.

Steeda makes very good CAIs but you need a tune with them. I think their airbox design is the best as it blocks out heat from the engine better than the others.

Mike
 

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The AIRAID has the modular venturi tube that can be removed if you want to get a tune.

I have an Airaid, and the truth is with the venturi removed the the diameter across the MAF is 98mm. So one would think that bigger would be better....

Not necessarily.

Unless you have some kind of forced induction going on, you will NOT make anymore power on a normally aspirated motor with the venturi removed. In fact, it just makes it harder to tune with absolutely no benefit.

How do I know this? I provided Doug Studdard at BamaChips the very first Airaid for him to make tunes with and he told me he could make a tune either way but let me know that the huge inlet wouldn't provide me any benefit. If I recall correctly the HP numbers with his tunes were 283 peak H.P. in either configuration. I'm going on memory here, so I may be off a bit with that, it's been a couple of years now and I don't recall what the baseline numbers were.

He also said he sees the same thing with C&L's "racer" intake. It makes no more power than the cast aluminum "street" intake in an N/A application.

So, when you come down to it, the only way to really get any benefit from the monster intake tube with the venturi removed is with one particular supercharger. The Saleen. I suppose you could see some benefit with nitrous and maybe if you re-worked the heads for slightly better flow, but by and large a 98mm opening across the MAF is just way too much for this car in N/A form.

And for some more anecdotal evidence, I know someone here in AZ who removed the venturi and had his car tuned by a reputable nationwide tuner (Modular Depot) AND had it retuned locally and in either case they couldn't get it to run quite right. After hearing what I told him about it and what Doug said about it, it made sense to him and he re-inserted the venturi and ran a bamachips tune and his car ran a bunch better.

So, does the car run fine without a tune?

Yes, it does. Doug said that it did in fact run a "little" lean without a tune, but not enough to cross the line in triggering a check engine light, which is actually quite high.

Is it safe? Depends who you talk to. Some will tell you that running anything above a 12.5 to 1 a/f ratio (N/A) is dangerous. I think that's an alarmist point of view IMO. Without a tune the Airaid's a/f peaked at around 13.0. Nowhere near enough to trigger a check engine light, a little on the lean side, but you're certainly not going to blow up your motor either.

The only reason I have the Airaid is price. I can get my hands on one VERY cheap (they're local) and made it the cheapest way to get a CAI at the time. At the time I also had a canned Diablo Tune with my Predator, so I wasn't necessarily bone stock either. Without the Diablo tune, it ran ok, but it was quite boring!

Are there better intakes out there?

Certainly, if I was doing it again, I'd probably go with a JLT II OR I might give Modular Depot's new intake a try.

The bottom line is, with a tune ALL of them make respectable numbers, some more than others but all within a few H.P. of each other.

So, it comes down to looks, price and what you really want out of the CAI.

If you simply cannot spring for a tune right now, I'd go with the Airaid for sure, but don't expect a night and day difference either. But know that when you can get a tuner, you haven't completely wasted your money either.
 

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Im going to sell my S&B intake with the diablo sport tunner,with 5 Bama tune (89,91,93,89cmdp,93cmdp) plus the stock 3 that the tunner came with.I made 303/318 on a mustang dyno.plus if you dont want the tunner it can be run with out it.PM me if interested..
 

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Sixtysix- very good input. Glad to see someone else agrees. Some good info too. You can also say the same with the roush, KB or Whipple blowers. the kits they make for the root style blowers will def add power.

On blowers like vortech(mine), procharger, or paxton a powerpipe from anderson motorsports or SCT is your intake tube. The plastic shit they give is worthless.

Steeda stuff... is good and bad. the problem with the intake sheild, it absorbs the heart unlike the plastic one that JLT or K&N intakes offers. Any intake tube or shield that is not plastic or PCV in JLT's case, absorbs heat and is useless. Looks nice but waisting money
 
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I have an Airaid, and the truth is with the venturi removed the the diameter across the MAF is 98mm. So one would think that bigger would be better....

Not necessarily.

Unless you have some kind of forced induction going on, you will NOT make anymore power on a normally aspirated motor with the venturi removed. In fact, it just makes it harder to tune with absolutely no benefit.

How do I know this? I provided Doug Studdard at BamaChips the very first Airaid for him to make tunes with and he told me he could make a tune either way but let me know that the huge inlet wouldn't provide me any benefit. If I recall correctly the HP numbers with his tunes were 283 peak H.P. in either configuration. I'm going on memory here, so I may be off a bit with that, it's been a couple of years now and I don't recall what the baseline numbers were.

He also said he sees the same thing with C&L's "racer" intake. It makes no more power than the cast aluminum "street" intake in an N/A application.

So, when you come down to it, the only way to really get any benefit from the monster intake tube with the venturi removed is with one particular supercharger. The Saleen. I suppose you could see some benefit with nitrous and maybe if you re-worked the heads for slightly better flow, but by and large a 98mm opening across the MAF is just way too much for this car in N/A form.

And for some more anecdotal evidence, I know someone here in AZ who removed the venturi and had his car tuned by a reputable nationwide tuner (Modular Depot) AND had it retuned locally and in either case they couldn't get it to run quite right. After hearing what I told him about it and what Doug said about it, it made sense to him and he re-inserted the venturi and ran a bamachips tune and his car ran a bunch better.

So, does the car run fine without a tune?

Yes, it does. Doug said that it did in fact run a "little" lean without a tune, but not enough to cross the line in triggering a check engine light, which is actually quite high.

Is it safe? Depends who you talk to. Some will tell you that running anything above a 12.5 to 1 a/f ratio (N/A) is dangerous. I think that's an alarmist point of view IMO. Without a tune the Airaid's a/f peaked at around 13.0. Nowhere near enough to trigger a check engine light, a little on the lean side, but you're certainly not going to blow up your motor either.

The only reason I have the Airaid is price. I can get my hands on one VERY cheap (they're local) and made it the cheapest way to get a CAI at the time. At the time I also had a canned Diablo Tune with my Predator, so I wasn't necessarily bone stock either. Without the Diablo tune, it ran ok, but it was quite boring!

Are there better intakes out there?

Certainly, if I was doing it again, I'd probably go with a JLT II OR I might give Modular Depot's new intake a try.

The bottom line is, with a tune ALL of them make respectable numbers, some more than others but all within a few H.P. of each other.

So, it comes down to looks, price and what you really want out of the CAI.

If you simply cannot spring for a tune right now, I'd go with the Airaid for sure, but don't expect a night and day difference either. But know that when you can get a tuner, you haven't completely wasted your money either.

These engines usually make max power right around 12.8-13.1:1 so I would say Airaid nailed it! For those not familiar with Airaid I believe its the supplier for Roush. Same intake different labels.

Ideal size seems to be in the 85-90mm range for these intakes on a bolt-on NA car.

VMP Tuning has a hybrid C&L that uses the C&L Racer Inlet Tube and their own 88mm MAF Housing.

If you are trying to keep this budget I would go with a VMP Half Intake SCT X2 combo for $449 if you decide to upgrade in the future all you would need to do is add the C&L Inlet Tube. VMP has them for $170 but their may be cheaper sources.

I would buy the X2 ($379) from a decent tuner before I would buy the intake you will see more gain. Intake is worth 0.15 max and the tune is worth 3/10.
 
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Hey,

I've been looking at getting a cold air for my car. I, myself, have narrowed it down to K&N or AIRAID. I don't have a tuner so i would like one that doesn't require a tune. These both do not. The AIRAID has the modular venturi tube that can be removed if you want to get a tune. I was leaning toward that one but still wonder if K&N would be better quality. I need to talk to people to help make my decision. Any suggestions are welcome.

thank you

K&N CAI with a VMP Mail Order Tune has been 12.87 and 107 mph on an otherwise stock car. In my opinion the intake is better than it gets credit for.

That said I still say the VMP Half-Intake / X2 Combo at $449 is the best bang for your buck you will find. Its worth about 19 rwhp but the major gains are from the elimination of Torque Management and Shift Point Extension. That doesnt even take into consideration the drivability gains with improved throttle response.
 

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those look good but no car will put the same numbers. all mail order tunes are useless today. waste of a lot of time and money.

and 12.8 and 107... thats a damn good driver. they have a actual guy who would do it for a job or been doing it for a long time. You can't compare that time or numbers but as a you can reach this with a damn good driver and tuner. Thats it
 
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those look good but no car will put the same numbers. all mail order tunes are useless today. waste of a lot of time and money.

and 12.8 and 107... thats a damn good driver. they have a actual guy who would do it for a job or been doing it for a long time. You can't compare that time or numbers but as a you can reach this with a damn good driver and tuner. Thats it

He is not a paid driver and doesnt do it for a living. My point was the K&N may be better than some people know.
I just dont believe the MAF diameter is that restrictive on a stock engine.

All mail order tunes are useless and a waste of time and money? Pretty strong statement!

Best Actual Stock: 2.031 13.49 @ 103.31 (-1253' DA)
Best Actual CAI/Tune: 2.017 12.97 @ 107.09 (-658' DA)

Best Corrected Stock: 1.958 13.35 @ 103.52
Best Corrected CAI/Tune: 1.895 12.95 @ 106.41

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say I only gained 0.4 and 2.9 mph. Thats on a Mailorder Bama Tune and a JLTII Intake.
When you consider I would have needed the $379 Flasher anyway the Tune and CAI set me back $146.
Seems like an adequate improvement for the dollars. How much more will I gain from a dynotune?

I do plan to eventually get a dynotune but not until my combination is done.
 
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Hey,

I've been looking at getting a cold air for my car. I, myself, have narrowed it down to K&N or AIRAID. I don't have a tuner so i would like one that doesn't require a tune. These both do not. The AIRAID has the modular venturi tube that can be removed if you want to get a tune. I was leaning toward that one but still wonder if K&N would be better quality. I need to talk to people to help make my decision. Any suggestions are welcome.

thank you


Here is a good place to start.

http://www.mustang50magazine.com/techarticles/m5lp_0601w_cold_air_intake_comparisons/index.html
 

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the problem with mail orders is that you can't see whats happening but take a guess at what to do.
When the mail order tunes first came out... like steeda, it sucked having to send it back and forth all the time
 

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the problem with mail orders is that you can't see whats happening but take a guess at what to do.
When the mail order tunes first came out... like steeda, it sucked having to send it back and forth all the time

I agree.

Thats one reason why I use BamaTunes.

What I do is datalog specific input points during a pull. Then email the datalog file and the pull file to Doug. Doug makes corrections to my tune based on the information supplied and then emails a corrected tune back.

This is a value added service that Doug provides.

With the right PC / software and internet setup it is possible for a tuner to monitor and make corrections to a tune during a pull in real time regardless of his location or your location.
 

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