Bad Sellers

[muztangman93]

Seller may not even have a clue that theres a dispute thread going on.

 

[irishpwr46]

^^^^ Perishable?! Bullshit! It was designed to be placed on a car that is not usually kept in a climate controlled environment, and subjected to major heat changes while in said environment.
I really don't think just sitting in a box (unless it is repeatedly submersed and removed from water) is going to cause a perfectly good part to rust and have pieces falling out of it in four months.
The seller's absence also speaks volumes to me.

yes metal is perishable believe it or not. it does have somewhat of a "shelf life". and just an FYI, being submersed in water would have nothing to do with it. its called oxidization for a reason. it has to deal with oxygen, not water.

 

[Black_GT]

After reading some of this, I'm adding my own disclaimer regarding returns if and when I sell stuff on here lol!

 

[dark steed]

yes metal is perishable believe it or not. it does have somewhat of a "shelf life". and just an FYI, being submersed in water would have nothing to do with it. its called oxidization for a reason. it has to deal with oxygen, not water.

Really? So if you put the part in a zero moisture but oxygen rich environment it would still rust? Did you study chemical engineering under Seer?!
Oxidation is exacerbated by repeated wet/dry cycles. The part is designed to last more than 4 months of hot/cold cycles in all kinds of weather.
While I agree it was a long time between shipment and inspection, this should be a somewhat durable part, regardless if it was used or not. I concede that shipping may have shaken rust loose that the seller was unaware of.
In fact, in thanks for his service I'll reimburse the buyer for shipping costs. Hell, I'll reimburse him for the whole thing.

 

[irishpwr46]

Really? So if you put the part in a zero moisture but oxygen rich environment it would still rust? Did you study chemical engineering under Seer?!
Oxidation is exacerbated by repeated wet/dry cycles. The part is designed to last more than 4 months of hot/cold cycles in all kinds of weather.
While I agree it was a long time between shipment and inspection, this should be a somewhat durable part, regardless if it was used or not. I concede that shipping may have shaken rust loose that the seller was unaware of.
In fact, in thanks for his service I'll reimburse the buyer for shipping costs. Hell, I'll reimburse him for the whole thing.

Actually as an ASME Section IX certified plumber/ welder, its part of my job to know how environments affect materials. Especially how atmospheres can affect metals. So before you keep up your rant and embarrass yourself some more, research your argument before making it. Yes hot and cold cycles will affect the life of a product, but what about when cycles cease whilst the product is in an environment where oxidization is at its peak? You go ahead and reimburse him, that's very big of you. But don't come on here pretending to know your shit when in fact you don't know shit.

 

[BruceH]

I've had a similar experience. I sold a set of used mufflers. The buyer contacted me about them a few weeks after he had installed them. He said that there was stuff rattling around in them when he received them but he just shook it out and installed them but after a few weeks they were loud/droning. At first I offered to take them back but not pay shipping because they were in good shape when I shipped them and they were insured. After thinking about it for awhile I thought that it was possible that shipping knocked some stuff around inside so I offered to cover shipping too since he received something different than what I sold. He decided to keep them in the end because his wife liked the loud mufflers.

Anything is possible especially with used exhaust components.

 

[muztangman93]

I watched a video where it showed ups deliveries caught on camera and it would blow your mind how some of them treat stuff. One guy threw a brand new tv over a fence that was at least 8 foot tall.

 

[dark steed]

Actually as an ASME Section IX certified plumber/ welder, its part of my job to know how environments affect materials. Especially how atmospheres can affect metals. So before you keep up your rant and embarrass yourself some more, research your argument before making it. Yes hot and cold cycles will affect the life of a product, but what about when cycles cease whilst the product is in an environment where oxidization is at its peak? You go ahead and reimburse him, that's very big of you. But don't come on here pretending to know your shit when in fact you don't know shit.

Not a rant, and you've managed to embarrass yourself with your own words. "Being submersed will have no effect on it"? Really, with oxygen being the lesser primary element of water oxidation will occur under water, just at a reduced rate due to reduced oxygen levels. I also clearly stated that REPEATED submersion, which would certainly imply being removed from water and allowed to somewhat dry before the cycle is repeated.
Oxidation is the reaction between oxygen and other elements, and there are certainly elements that exacerbate its progress.
I am not trying to start a dick swinging contest, just provide a reasoned counterpoint to your assertions.

Now I'm off to get my daughter and start my weekend. Carry on.

 

[GTGHOST]

What's the dollar spread here? Sounds minimal if its under a $100 make it right and move on


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[irishpwr46]

yes metal is perishable believe it or not. it does have somewhat of a "shelf life". and just an FYI, being submersed in water would have nothing to do with it. its called oxidization for a reason. it has to deal with oxygen, not water.

Not a rant, and you've managed to embarrass yourself with your own words. "Being submersed will have no effect on it"? Really, with oxygen being the lesser primary element of water oxidation will occur under water, just at a reduced rate due to reduced oxygen levels. I also clearly stated that REPEATED submersion, which would certainly imply being removed from water and allowed to somewhat dry before the cycle is repeated.
Oxidation is the reaction between oxygen and other elements, and there are certainly elements that exacerbate its progress.
I am not trying to start a dick swinging contest, just provide a reasoned counterpoint to your assertions.

Now I'm off to get my daughter and start my weekend. Carry on.

Apparently you are lacking in the reading comprehension department. Maybe it was you that graduated from the SEER skul uf fonix. As you can see by the underlined text, I said that being submersed would have nothing to do with the process, not that it would have no effect. So you go ahead and keep thinking your right.

 

[dark steed]

"nobody here is shipping from a climate controlled environment where they can guarantee no moisture or Oxygen in the packaging"
"what about when cycles cease whilst the product is in an environment where oxidization is at its peak?"
"just an FYI, being submersed in water would have nothing to do with it. its called oxidization for a reason. it has to deal with oxygen, not water."
"I said that being submersed would have nothing to do with the process, not that it would have no effect."

Contradict yourself much? You imply that moisture in the packaging can increase rusting, and even admit that environmental factors affect oxidation.
Then you say water has nothing to do with the process (rusting) but then say it has an effect?! That is self-contradictory and makes no sense...

Yes, true oxidation occurs on a molecular level, but it is the interaction between oxygen molecules and and ALL the different substances they contact.
What we call rust is the more obvious presentation of free radicals reacting and releasing from the affected object.
But the more precise technical definition of oxidation is the loss of an electron when two or more substances interact, whether those substances include oxygen or not.

The case at hand involves a durable product (not perishable as you claim).

"per·ish·a·ble
ˈperiSHəbəl
adjective
1.
(esp. of food) likely to decay or go bad quickly.
"ballet is the most perishable of arts"
noun
noun: perishable; plural noun: perishables
1.
things, esp. foodstuffs, likely to decay or go bad quickly."

A part designed to last in a harsh automotive environment should not rust and fall apart after 4 months in a box.
They are designed for vehicles that are NOT operated indoors as a general rule, but are operated in all sorts of inclement conditions.
I have already stated that the "oxidation" process could have been advanced, and the seller was unaware of it. My intent is not to bash him.

I applaud your efforts at educating yourself for your profession, but fear that you have fallen into the black hole between book knowledge and real world application.
Either that or you like to argue to keep from being wrong more than arguing for the sake of facts.

Or you could just be educated beyond the limits of your intelligence...

 

[irishpwr46]

"nobody here is shipping from a climate controlled environment where they can guarantee no moisture or Oxygen in the packaging"
"what about when cycles cease whilst the product is in an environment where oxidization is at its peak?"
"just an FYI, being submersed in water would have nothing to do with it. its called oxidization for a reason. it has to deal with oxygen, not water."
"I said that being submersed would have nothing to do with the process, not that it would have no effect."

Contradict yourself much? You imply that moisture in the packaging can increase rusting, and even admit that environmental factors affect oxidation.
Then you say water has nothing to do with the process (rusting) but then say it has an effect?! That is self-contradictory and makes no sense...

Yes, true oxidation occurs on a molecular level, but it is the interaction between oxygen molecules and and ALL the different substances they contact.
What we call rust is the more obvious presentation of free radicals reacting and releasing from the affected object.
But the more precise technical definition of oxidation is the loss of an electron when two or more substances interact, whether those substances include oxygen or not.

The case at hand involves a durable product (not perishable as you claim).

"per·ish·a·ble
ˈperiSHəbəl
adjective
1.
(esp. of food) likely to decay or go bad quickly.
"ballet is the most perishable of arts"
noun
noun: perishable; plural noun: perishables
1.
things, esp. foodstuffs, likely to decay or go bad quickly."

A part designed to last in a harsh automotive environment should not rust and fall apart after 4 months in a box.
They are designed for vehicles that are NOT operated indoors as a general rule, but are operated in all sorts of inclement conditions.
I have already stated that the "oxidation" process could have been advanced, and the seller was unaware of it. My intent is not to bash him.

I applaud your efforts at educating yourself for your profession, but fear that you have fallen into the black hole between book knowledge and real world application.
Either that or you like to argue to keep from being wrong more than arguing for the sake of facts.

Or you could just be educated beyond the limits of your intelligence...

ok you win, you spent more time researching than me. ill go cry myself to sleep now. and now back to the original course of the thread.

 

[muztangman93]

Why cant people just agree to disagree. Its America cant we all just get along no need to get into a heated argument with each other. Everyone has there own opinion. I think in this situation neither party is intentionally trying to screw the other over.

Id still like to see pictures.

I think we should have a seperate section all together for bad transactions instead of just one long thread. I think both people should start a thread buyer and seller and disclose all the evidence that way its more clear cut.

 

[dark steed]

Why cant people just agree to disagree. Its America cant we all just get along no need to get into a heated argument with each other. Everyone has there own opinion. I think in this situation neither party is intentionally trying to screw the other over.

Id still like to see pictures.

I think we should have a seperate section all together for bad transactions instead of just one long thread. I think both people should start a thread buyer and seller and disclose all the evidence that way its more clear cut.

Good point. All this for a $75 part that I had no stake in.

Irish, no ill will, I'll buy you a beer (or a soda if you don't drink) if I'm ever in your neighborhood. Cool?

My offer to cover all shipping still stands, buyer and seller, or the whole thing if need be.
Peace

 

[Premium08]

Good point. All this for a $75 part that I had no stake in.

Irish, no ill will, I'll buy you a beer (or a soda if you don't drink) if I'm ever in your neighborhood. Cool?

My offer to cover all shipping still stands, buyer and seller, or the whole thing if need be.
Peace

Good man!!

 

[07TGGT]

So who's the bad seller again?

 

[ZmanM3]

Seer.

 

[Greg Hazlett]

Seer.

LOL...I was going to say that but....too soon....?

 

[ZmanM3]

Could be too soon, but I have evidence it is not.

 

[weather man]

Could be too soon, but I have evidence it is not.

Mystery evidence FTW!!!