KABOOM! Now off to Brenspeed for a B326 stroker!

[tigerhonaker]

I get that opinion a lot, lol. I'd like to be done. Maybe I can just convince others who are local to mod their cars so I can get a fix. It's almost time for the home improvement bug to kick in again so maybe I'll leave the car alone after this build.

Bruce ...

I hope I have not missed the Thread on your {Build} ???

If you have already started that Thread I would like to see & read it.

Please send me a PM with that Link if you have time.



tigerhonaker

 

[Timmbo]

Hi Tim,

I and a buddy was there yesterday afternoon for awhile.
Dropped off the Mustang and off we went for the return trip home.

Saw all the gang and said the pleasantries and away we went.

They had as usual a lot of vehicles to work on.

Terry

Great. Thanks for telling them I said hi. Looking forward to seeing what Brent is doing for you.

 

[tigerhonaker]

One thing I do relentlessly to bring me down out of the clouds to reality is to find and read all the high horsepower build threads. Whether its a motor build, or adding high boost by whatever method. Have you noticed that a great percentage of these threads end abruptly often with no follow ups after they've made their single one time hero dyno run? Or epic build threads that end up with knocks and noises or performance issues that never get resolved and the thread conclusion falls off the face of the earth and dies a nasty death? The conclusion I come to is that a lot of these instances are massive financial fails. And who wants to admit defeat when its cost you 10 or 15k for a build? So yes, I take what many people post as "successful" high HP builds with a grain of salt. I see the risk of failure way more often than not. You always have the same people going "look at what this guy or that guy built. 950 hp on the dyno today!" But ya know what, you never see that car again in any other threads, or videos of it tearing up the streets a few months later. So yeah, on the forums a lot of times reality is very skewed. Gee, where do all these awesome high HP builds go? Hmmmm.....yes Tim....another reality check.

Another thing I have come to learn in high performance is you have two routes you can take. You can go with a tuner and shop that specializes in well proven moderate HP F/I kits and tunes, (i.e. Roush TVS, Whipple, Vortech) or you can go with custom high HP builds (i.e. twin turbos, E85 tuning) and tuners that will push the limit for the most power. For instance I could go back up to Brenspeed right now and come back with a 650 rwhp car on 93 running a proven Roush TVS 2.3L kit and tune and have the assurance that the tune is very safe, the Drivability, reliability and longevity is great and the power is well below the rated block HP. Or I could go the custom route with twin turbos, or a very large centri (YSi) and go for 700 + on E85 using a tuner very experienced in custom builds, but custom really doesn't come with a track record of long term reliability. It's definitely a chance you take in this hobby when getting away from "kits" as opposed to custom high HP F/I setups and tunes. I think about this a lot and often wonder do I want to take the risk of going outside the safety of proven kits just to get another 100 hp? Probably exactly why I haven't pulled the trigger just yet.

Tim ...

I like the way you Post.

And I can tell you that in the majority of cases why you don't see all those Wild-Ass Super-High-H/P cars on the street after that 1st Woopie-Doo DYNO Run.

Because in the majority of cases they are not out on the roads putting serious miles on them.

They actually are Local at best !!!

I hope I get the opportunity to meet you in person once I get mine back from Brenspeed.

Be nice to chat with one another I think.

The INTERNET is an interesting place at times to read about all the Wild-Ass Super H/P cars.

Next time your out on the interstate traveling through different States see if you even see one of those.

Hint: You won't. !!!

Terry from Franklin, TN.

 

[skwerl]

I'm amazed at how many people build high horsepower cars and then don't drive them. I'm not going to fool myself, my car is not going to be any sort of investment and it is not going to retain a fraction of the value that I've spent on it. Parking it in the garage to keep miles off it is not going to gain me anything, all it will do is reduce my return on my investment. I spent the money to have a high horsepower car I can drive, not something to park in the garage and hope somebody else will give me a bunch of money for in 10 years. I want to drive it until it's worn out then buy another car and start over again.

 

[BruceH]

Bruce ...

I hope I have not missed the Thread on your {Build} ???

If you have already started that Thread I would like to see & read it.

Please send me a PM with that Link if you have time.



tigerhonaker

Here is the latest build. I'm currently waiting on the machine shop. Should be ready for me to assemble any day now.

http://www.s197forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=105837

My limits have always been driveability. If something I do makes the car harder to drive then I'll go backwards and undo that mod. The Procharger on E85 making 699 was easier to drive than the 2.3 whipple making 599 on E85. The whipple made torque right away which meant you had to take it easy driving around town unless you wanted to look like an idiot and spin the tires all the time.

The Procharger (and Paxton I had) drove more like a stock car around town. It required a few rpms before all hell broke loose which made it more predictable in traffic.

About the suggestion of there not being any real higher horsepower cars around or fluffed numbers. That's just bs! Enough local people have seen my car in it's various forms to know that I'm not blowing smoke about the power levels or how it drives or the fact that I drive it all over the place. It has 49,000 miles on it right now. The first supercharger went on at 5,000. The only work I haven't done on it is the machining and gear installs. I also haven't had any motor problems, ever. I've said it plenty of times, these motors aren't hard to work on at all. There isn't any mystery to keeping them reliable with higher horsepower. Ford has already done the engineering, all we have to do is follow what they have spent all the research and development money on. Keep in mind that any problems are going to be magnified at higher hp levels so be prepared for the worst if you seek power.

After all is said and done I just want something in the lower 400s n/a. That's plenty of power to have fun with. I'm targeting E85 but it will also be able to run our local 92 premium pump gas.

Enough of that stuff. Timmbo, have you decided on a power adder yet?

 

[muztangman93]

Guys I can go to the local no name drag strip around here and see daily drivers running 9s so theres alot and I mean alot of high horsepower daily drivers out there. Is 700 considered alot Mine made it to myrtle beach for mustang week from indiana and back plus hundreds of miles doing things while I was there in horrid heat with the ac on.

 

[tigerhonaker]

Here is the latest build. I'm currently waiting on the machine shop. Should be ready for me to assemble any day now.

http://www.s197forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=105837

My limits have always been driveability. If something I do makes the car harder to drive then I'll go backwards and undo that mod. The Procharger on E85 making 699 was easier to drive than the 2.3 whipple making 599 on E85. The whipple made torque right away which meant you had to take it easy driving around town unless you wanted to look like an idiot and spin the tires all the time.

The Procharger (and Paxton I had) drove more like a stock car around town. It required a few rpms before all hell broke loose which made it more predictable in traffic.

About the suggestion of there not being any real higher horsepower cars around or fluffed numbers. That's just bs! Enough local people have seen my car in it's various forms to know that I'm not blowing smoke about the power levels or how it drives or the fact that I drive it all over the place. It has 49,000 miles on it right now. The first supercharger went on at 5,000. The only work I haven't done on it is the machining and gear installs. I also haven't had any motor problems, ever. I've said it plenty of times, these motors aren't hard to work on at all. There isn't any mystery to keeping them reliable with higher horsepower. Ford has already done the engineering, all we have to do is follow what they have spent all the research and development money on. Keep in mind that any problems are going to be magnified at higher hp levels so be prepared for the worst if you seek power.

After all is said and done I just want something in the lower 400s n/a. That's plenty of power to have fun with. I'm targeting E85 but it will also be able to run our local 92 premium pump gas.

Enough of that stuff. Timmbo, have you decided on a power adder yet?

Bruce,

Thanks for the link I'm going to jump over now and check it out.



Terry

 

[Timmbo]

Timmbo, have you decided on a power adder yet?

Bruce I have narrowed it down to two choices. Either the DOB R spec 3.4L Whipple kit, or the S&H Twin Turbo. I sure wish I could get a price estimate from gmitch (Jason) on approximately what it is going to cost for the new Whipple kit. He did however mention in a post last week that it might be available in December but most likely January of '14. I don't know what the heck the hold up is. Maybe they're waiting on a government patent or something. Who knows. The prototype was up and running well over 6 months ago. Looks like the S&H twin turbo will be complete and ready for sale in the next few weeks. I see Dillion Dollar put his deposit on one so hopefully he will do a install and review thread. The only reason I didn't bite is that the prototype isn't even complete nor has it been tested yet. I could have saved a few hundred by ordering now but I want to see it in the real world first. IMO, what they should have done was built, tested and proven the prototype, then offered a group buy with a discount. I would have been all over that!

 

[muztangman93]

Wouldnt the turbo system have much coolar iat temps

 

[Timmbo]

Wouldnt the turbo system have much coolar iat temps

Absolutely. But supposedly the new DOB R spec manifold is supposed to have a very large intercooler. And also the large 3.4L Whipple on a 3v is barely breaking a sweat at 15-20 psi of boost. DOB is getting a very easy 700 rwhp and that big Whipple isn't even getting hot (so they say).

 

[claudermilk]

I want to drive it until it's worn out then buy another car and start over again.

I like how you think. I've done just that. wore out the last car & am restarting with the Mustang.

 

[muztangman93]

I want to drive mine till it wears out too I just hope it wears out later instead of sooner lmao

 

[Department Of Boost]

I sure wish I could get a price estimate from gmitch (Jason) on approximately what it is going to cost for the new Whipple kit.

Check your PM's

He did however mention in a post last week that it might be available in December but most likely January of '14. I don't know what the heck the hold up is. Maybe they're waiting on a government patent or something. Who knows.

The CNC shop guy we have been using for production stuff got hurt bad about 4mo ago which effectively put us out of business. We are now just getting a replacement shop on line. GT450 manifolds are running right now. When those are done we can start looking at production times for R-Spec stuff. Plus because we are dealing with a new shop I have no history to base timelines on. And the schedule I gave you is pessimistic. I am a firm believer in under-promising and over-delivering.

It also takes us a bit longer to get into production because we don't use customers for R&D.

 

[Department Of Boost]

Absolutely. But supposedly the new DOB R spec manifold is supposed to have a very large intercooler.

Bigger than any other blower available.

And also the large 3.4L Whipple on a 3v is barely breaking a sweat at 15-20 psi of boost.

At 725rwhp on pump the blower is spinning 2/3 its maximum RPM. "Loafing" is an understatement. It's hardly awake!

DOB is getting a very easy 700 rwhp and that big Whipple isn't even getting hot (so they say).

Coolest running screw blower I have ever seen, period.

It runs almost as cool as a roots improved/TVS under normal driving conditions. And it runs a LOT cooler than a roots improved/TVS under WOT. You can take that to the bank.

 

[Timmbo]

I'm really liking this update. Looking forward to your pm.

 

[Department Of Boost]

I'm really liking this update. Looking forward to your pm.

Sent..............

 

[BruceH]

Bigger than any other blower available.


At 725rwhp on pump the blower is spinning 2/3 its maximum RPM. "Loafing" is an understatement. It's hardly awake!


Coolest running screw blower I have ever seen, period.

It runs almost as cool as a roots improved/TVS under normal driving conditions. And it runs a LOT cooler than a roots improved/TVS under WOT. You can take that to the bank.

Have you ever noticed that the only people who complain about high iats with a Whipple don't own one? I've yet to see a Whipple owner who monitors iats complain about them being too high.

 

[Department Of Boost]

Have you ever noticed that the only people who complain about high iats with a Whipple don't own one? I've yet to see a Whipple owner who monitors iats complain about them being too high.

Agreed, for the most part Whipples tend to run cooler, especially under normal driving conditions. I'd wager some of it has to do with the screw design and some of it is due to the large fittings (comparatively) that they run on the IC's.

It cracks me up when people think that the liquid cooling on the Kenne Bells is a "performance feature" when in fact the liquid cooling is a band aid for them running too hot/a inferior case design.

 

[BruceH]

Agreed, for the most part Whipples tend to run cooler, especially under normal driving conditions. I'd wager some of it has to do with the screw design and some of it is due to the large fittings (comparatively) that they run on the IC's.

It cracks me up when people think that the liquid cooling on the Kenne Bells is a "performance feature" when in fact the liquid cooling is a band aid for them running too hot/a inferior case design.

That's my thought too. They have their own screw designs and the intercooler sitting under the blower is 5" thick. Whatever the reason is it works.

 

[Riptide]

Miss my old car but the IAT issues in the summer are a bad memory. Kinda made me shy to going with a PD blower again whether other designs run cooler or not. Next time around I'm going with a centri.