2015 mustang hits the track

[brent_G]

Muscle car to me means late 60's early 70's v8 american

 

[tjm73]

Muscle car to me means late 60's early 70's v8 american

hmmmm.... raises a good point. Modern muscle cars really are an apples to oranges kind of thing. Mustangs, Camaros and Challengers all out handle, out brake, stop better, turn better, ride better, offer more creature comforts, get better fuel economy and make more power than anything (in general) that was offered in the mid 60's/early 70's. Plus they are built better (how many muscle cars could go 200,000 miles?) and your chances of survival in an accident are much much better in the newer cars.

Muscle cars should be revered for what they are/were. But we are in a Golden Age of Modern Muscle.

 

[ford20]

You've never see a turbo'ed 6 cylinder car before? You make this sound like a mythological creature.

Nope, I have never seen a SHO or a Saab 9-3 or Cadillac's new turbo six before.

I think you misread my post. I was saying where are you guys getting this information that a turbo 6 will be replacing the V8 when everything that i have read most recently has been saying that the 5.0 will still be in the GT. Sure, Ford did just announce that they will be using an Ecoboost 3.5L for the Daytona Prototype cars and there is some speculation flying around now but still.

 

[Department Of Boost]

Nope, I have never seen a SHO or a Saab 9-3 or Cadillac's new turbo six before.

I think you misread my post. I was saying where are you guys getting this information that a turbo 6 will be replacing the V8 when everything that i have read most recently has been saying that the 5.0 will still be in the GT. Sure, Ford did just announce that they will be using an Ecoboost 3.5L for the Daytona Prototype cars and there is some speculation flying around now but still.

This^^^^^^^

There isn’t even rumor of the EcoBoost V-6 replacing the Coyote. Or the EcoBoost being an option.

The Mustang will have a Coyote as it’s “top dog” motor for quite a few years yet. If they run into any emissions issues they can add DI and “cylinder Management" and get even more time out of it.

Anyone that thinks the Coyote is going to get replaced with a V-6 has had one too many concussions.

That said if the EcoBoost was an option I would be hard pressed not to take it. With truck cams and truck sized turbo’s they make 400/500 (with tuning) to the wheels through a truck drivetrain. There is a 600whp Flex out there with stock motor/turbo’s on e85. With “Mustang Spec” cams and a little bigger turbo’s a EcoBoost Mustang could make some big, big power with just bolt ons.

 

[Doug M]

So no DI for the 2015? If not that's stupid.

 

[marcspaz]

Nope, I have never seen a SHO or a Saab 9-3 or Cadillac's new turbo six before.

I think you misread my post. I was saying where are you guys getting this information that a turbo 6 will be replacing the V8 when everything that i have read most recently has been saying that the 5.0 will still be in the GT. Sure, Ford did just announce that they will be using an Ecoboost 3.5L for the Daytona Prototype cars and there is some speculation flying around now but still.

OOOhhh. I got you. I can't speak for everyone, but I was just generalizing due to the debate of what a Muscle Car is/was. Not speaking about the Mustang specifically.

I thought I read (could be wrong) that there was going to be a 5L 3v and a 3.5L turbo. Until an official release comes out, it's all speculation anyway.


BTW, I miss my Saab. I had 1990 900 SPG. I had the bottom-end forged, had the head P&P'd and put a 22 PSI turbo in it. That sucker made 246 HP and 300 ft lbs of torque at the wheels. I would destroy new Fox Body Mustangs all day long in drag or road course with that car.

It was so hard to drive on the street that I installed a push button on the dash to force the waste gate to stay open all the time. It flowed so much air that even with the WG all the way open, it still made 4 PSI! LOL When I wanted to race, I'd hit the buttom... full 22+ PSI on demand. It was a blast.

 

[Department Of Boost]

So no DI for the 2015? If not that's stupid.

Probably not. And be happy about it. Right now there are no solutions for fueling the DI setups for anything more aggressive than a tune. There are no upgrade high pressure fuel pumps available yet. My EcoBoost in my F-150 is out of fuel pump with just a tune (a big tune). I am not out of turbo though. If we had more fuel we could tune for more power. The two big HP EcoBoost setups out there are running 6 additional injectors in the manifold and a stand alone fuel system. Not fun.

DI is cool, but until better/bigger pumps are available you can't do much with tuning.

 

[Doug M]

You're probably right . Just thought Ford might want to go that route, since just about every other car company has done so.

 

[05yellowgt]

Probably not. And be happy about it. Right now there are no solutions for fueling the DI setups for anything more aggressive than a tune. There are no upgrade high pressure fuel pumps available yet. My EcoBoost in my F-150 is out of fuel pump with just a tune (a big tune). I am not out of turbo though. If we had more fuel we could tune for more power. The two big HP EcoBoost setups out there are running 6 additional injectors in the manifold and a stand alone fuel system. Not fun.

DI is cool, but until better/bigger pumps are available you can't do much with tuning.

I'm not convinced that the DI pump is out of breathe already. Those Bosch pumps flow 1.1 cubic cm of fuel per stroke from what I have found and the lobes that drives the DI pump are 4 sided. That means 4.4 cubic cm of fuel per engine RPM. Do the math and there should be a TON of fuel available. Whether or not the available tuning can command that amount of fuel is unknown to me, but I do know the stock in take feeder pump needs upgraded.

 

[Department Of Boost]

I'm not convinced that the DI pump is out of breathe already. Those Bosch pumps flow 1.1 cubic cm of fuel per stroke from what I have found and the lobes that drives the DI pump are 4 sided. That means 4.4 cubic cm of fuel per engine RPM. Do the math and there should be a TON of fuel available. Whether or not the available tuning can command that amount of fuel is unknown to me, but I do know the stock in take feeder pump needs upgraded.

Every single tuner is having the same problem, not enough fuel. Maybe you know something that they don't.

 

[tjm73]

I don't think I saw anyone saying the 5.0 was going to be replaced by a EBV6. I haven't seen a rumor that the EBV6 might be an option. But it would make sense from a CAFE point of view. It really would offer the best of both the power world and the fuel economy world.

I have no inside insight but I'd love to see the the US engine line up be 3.7 standard, 3.5 EB LX and 5.0 GT.

 

[claudermilk]

From what I have heard there will be three options, the NA V6 as base, the Coyote V8 as top, and an EB as the middle ground. I don't recall if it was an I4 or V6 EB, but sure sounds like a done deal to me.

Since we have seen the spy shots with the Coyote in the car, it seems pretty certain that will stick around. Besides, I cannot imagine Ford dumping it after only 4 years production.

 

[05yellowgt]

From what I have heard there will be three options, the NA V6 as base, the Coyote V8 as top, and an EB as the middle ground. I don't recall if it was an I4 or V6 EB, but sure sounds like a done deal to me.

Since we have seen the spy shots with the Coyote in the car, it seems pretty certain that will stick around. Besides, I cannot imagine Ford dumping it after only 4 years production.

The Coyote will get a compression bump and Direct Injection before it goes the way of the pushrod 5.0

 

[ZPounds09GT]

Well.. Since nobody has posted this yet..

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20131007/CARNEWS/131009897

Not sure how true this is but it looks legit.

 

[zquez]

Not sure how true this is but it looks legit.

Totally legit.

Looks 100% Mustang to me.

 

[shark tales]

I dig it.

 

[Wicked GT]

Looks to be the same size as the current car... what happened to smaller and lighter?

 

[Department Of Boost]

Looks to be the same size as the current car... what happened to smaller and lighter?

All the weight savings is from switching to a IRS.

 

[brent_G]

Hard to tell dimensions without anything as a reference in the pic with it

 

[Dubstep Shep]

All the weight savings is from switching to a IRS.

I thought IRS was heavier overall?