whiteline front sway bar fix/enhancement

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First let me say that I'm a Whiteline fan and have their panhard bar and both sway bars. The panhard bar went in great as did the rear sway bar. But I didn't like the way the front sway bar went in, so i did something about it.
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here in lies the crux of my problem, the bushing "squished" out leaving a gap that I can't help but think lessens it's effectiveness and made for an uneven surface for the shaft collar to butt up against.
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the other side didn't had the same problem but the shaft collar just happened to be up against the "flat" side.
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close up of the "squishedness", can't be optimal for performance of the bushing. My theory as to why this happens is because the bar's diameter is 33mm, but that must be measured before the powder coating. Add powder coating and we get a measured 34+mm diameter. The bushings ID is 33mm, add a tight sway bar saddle and we get squish.
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the shaft collars also had the 33mm ID problem making them not fit over the sway. I realize it needs to be tight to avoid slipping, but you can't even get the two halfs of the shaft collar close enough together to engage the damn bolts. I had to use a C-Clamp to compress the two halfs onto the shaft enough to get the bolts to engage and even then there was very little thread engagement and I was way to afraid to torque down on them to get the collar tighter.
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Enter my fix. New shaft collars and sway bar bushings with saddles. I ordered the shaft collars from amazon supply, they are 33mm ID collars with a meatier build and larger bolts. The bushings are Energy suspensions 33mm grease-able bushings with saddle.
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Here is the result. I was a little concerned about the sway bar hitting the mounting area because the new bushings are considerably shorter, but everything clears fine. No bushing ( being thinner and all ) squishing out the sides and making gaps. Because the sway bar is now closer to the mounting area and the new collars are larger I couldn't butt the collars up againts the bushings, so I moved them to the outside and the actually but up against the chassis. I did run into the exact same damn problem with the collars, I couldn't get the two halves close enough together to engage the bolts and these new collars are too stout to press on with a C-clamp. So I had to grind off the powder coating to get them close enough for the bolts to engage some thread and even then very little thread is engaged. So I've ordered longer socket cap bolts to install that will get me more thread engagement and make me more comfortable about torquing down the bolts a bit. Unfortunately the local hardware stores didn't have the bolts in the hardware section, as they are 1/4"-28 ( fine thread ) they only had the 1/4"-20( coarse thread ) thus the order online solution.

Anyway I thought I'd share and see what the fine folks here thought of my solution and if my "problem" was imagined or real.

Thanks,

James
 
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Those big ass black bushings ( in the stock saddles pictured ) are what came with the kit.
 

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That's weird... Mine were yellow and they didn't squish like that. Also my locks fit perfect. Yes it took a little to get them started but once started both sides have less than .030" gap. I do like your set up and locks you have! Also have you tried Lowes or Home Depot for the bolts? I find them their all the time. I am actually heading their now to get some SS pan heads for my daughters go kart
 
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That's weird... Mine were yellow and they didn't squish like that. Also my locks fit perfect. Yes it took a little to get them started but once started both sides have less than .030" gap. I do like your set up and locks you have! Also have you tried Lowes or Home Depot for the bolts? I find them their all the time. I am actually heading their now to get some SS pan heads for my daughters go kart

I really wish mine did come with the yellow bushings. But both my rear and front have black bushings. Only the panhard bar and the rear sway bar end links have the yellow bushings.

Yes, I tried Home Depot and Lowes, neither had the fine thread socket cap bolts, only the coarse thread, yeah I wasn't happy. But I was able to use their bolt sizing board to at least find out what size I needed.
 

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Enter my fix. New shaft collars and sway bar bushings with saddles. I ordered the shaft collars from amazon supply, they are 33mm ID collars with a meatier build and larger bolts. The bushings are Energy suspensions 33mm grease-able bushings with saddle.

+1 for Energy suspensions 33mm grease-able bushings with saddle (quality parts). I'm curious to know what Whiteline uses for bushing material..

OP, your found an interesting fix to a new product that appears to be poorly designed that cost you more time and money... flatout unacceptable.

A pattern is emerging with Whiteline.... Rear Upper Control Arm, Watts Link, Bushings, and etc. Where does it stop? They better get on this soon!

Perhaps Whiteline has two levels of parts: one for professional racer$, and the much lower quality line, but for top dollar, for the "average Joe"....
 
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I have seen this same situation on other forums regarding the Whiteline bushings not fitting and I always wonder why Whiteline doesn't address the problem, very confusing that a suspension company would allow this issue in their product.
Your fix looks good, but you shouldn't of had to fix the product in the first place, looks like a fitment issue from the manufacturer.
 

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Not everyone is having this problem. Also where did the black bushings come from? EVERY bushing I have seen from Whiteline is yellow. Mine fit perfect. No squish, no problems
 

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Whiteline is starting to make black bushings...not a good move I think, the yellow is kind of their signature. My trans mount insert is black
 

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Looks like a great job there! Can you share the part name/number for those collars?

I too have a similar problem with Whiteline's bushings. They suck and don't fit correctly and they didn't care to try to find a fix for the problem (though they did send me another set that "fit" the same way - squeezed like a 400 lb woman in spandex - after a two month wait due to "customs").

Though not yet implemented - here's my planned fix.

http://www.s197forum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1930360

I love the improvement the bar(s) made to my car's handling but is it really that hard to make a bushing that fits?

Looks like you've done a much better job than they did. I'm thinking those collars you have may serve me better. Both those or the Whiteline I suspect will have to be ground to fit the much shorter Hotchkis bushing and saddle I have.
 

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I have seen this same situation on other forums regarding the Whiteline bushings not fitting and I always wonder why Whiteline doesn't address the problem, very confusing that a suspension company would allow this issue in their product.
Your fix looks good, but you shouldn't of had to fix the product in the first place, looks like a fitment issue from the manufacturer.

Couldn't agree more, but his fix looks good. He should send instructions to Whiteline on how to fix their problem. I'm going to. They tried to blame the problem on my BMR tubular radiator support - as if that could cause the stock saddle to deform their bushing...
 

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Looks like a great job there! Can you share the part name/number for those collars?


Here is a link to where I bought them
https://www.amazonsupply.com/dp/B0063KZWFE/ref=ya_vo_0_0

they are the Ruland SP-21-A Two-Piece Clamping Shaft Collar, Aluminum, 1.313" Bore, 2 1/8" OD, 9/16" Width (Pack of 2)
part number is SP-21-A,

I did have to order new bolts from bolt depot for the collars to get more thread engagement. Here is the description #5076 - Socket cap, Alloy steel black oil finish, 1/4"-28 x 1-1/4"
 

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Here is a link to where I bought them
https://www.amazonsupply.com/dp/B0063KZWFE/ref=ya_vo_0_0

they are the Ruland SP-21-A Two-Piece Clamping Shaft Collar, Aluminum, 1.313" Bore, 2 1/8" OD, 9/16" Width (Pack of 2)
part number is SP-21-A,

I did have to order new bolts from bolt depot for the collars to get more thread engagement. Here is the description #5076 - Socket cap, Alloy steel black oil finish, 1/4"-28 x 1-1/4"

Outstanding! Thanks.
 

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Those big ass black bushings ( in the stock saddles pictured ) are what came with the kit.

Whiteline is starting to make black bushings...not a good move I think, the yellow is kind of their signature. My trans mount insert is black

Weird, mine were yellow. I got one of the very first kits made, and it fit perfect.

Sorry, OP.
 

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That's weird... Every trany bushing and suspension bushing I have seen has been yellow. I wonder why they are switching to black?
 

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That's weird... Every trany bushing and suspension bushing I have seen has been yellow. I wonder why they are switching to black?

They never shipped a yellow trans bushing insert. They were only yellow for the prototype.
 

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I guess my question is are they the same composite and shape or are they different. Based on what others are saying and what I've scene at the very least they are differently shaped

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