Motor is gone

[94tbird]

does any of this mean anything?

Intake/Exhaust
Grind No = 3V 284/294-140H
Duration @ .050 = 241/251
Lobe Lift = .246/.246
Seperator= 114
Duration @.006 = 284/294
Gross Valve Lift .492/.492
Centerline = 109




I have the BBR Stage 2 Blower cams

 

[Pumpkinfish]

Ron,

I still have my stock cams. If you need to borrow them for trouble shooting reasons, let me know and we'll work something out to get them you. I hate to see all these problems.

 

[94tbird]

Ron,

I still have my stock cams. If you need to borrow them for trouble shooting reasons, let me know and we'll work something out to get them you. I hate to see all these problems.

I appreciate it. I think i will have to take you up on this offer

 

[thump_rrr]

Well its not the timing of the motor. its timed properly it would seem. I still dont understand anything about timing but by looknig at it my dad is convinced it is timed ok.

I am on the verge of parting it out

1) Don't part it out.
2) I guess I'm off the hook as far as the timing goes.
3) With all the cam swaps being done doesn't anyone have a spare set of cams that they could lend you?
4) I'm assuming that you removed the front cover?

 

[94tbird]

1) Don't part it out.
2) I guess I'm off the hook as far as the timing goes.
3) With all the cam swaps being done doesn't anyone have a spare set of cams that they could lend you?
4) I'm assuming that you removed the front cover?

covers off yes. i cant see how the cams could affect anything.....

 

[94tbird]

covers off yes. i cant see how the cams could affect anything.....

i could overlook the low compression on one side of the motor. the engine builder wasnt very good obviously so it could have been that way from the start. I want to fix the damn noise that cant be found.

 

[PNR Welding]

i could overlook the low compression on one side of the motor. the engine builder wasnt very good obviously so it could have been that way from the start. I want to fix the damn noise that cant be found.

Hey Ron, I have a spare set of cams also. Ill be in Manahawkin, right outside LBI this Sunday if you want to come by and get them they are yours. Ill actually probably be up there Sat night. I dont know if your coming to Jersey as most people from NY do, for this Memorial day weekend. Let me know.

 

[94tbird]

Hey Ron, I have a spare set of cams also. Ill be in Manahawkin, right outside LBI this Sunday if you want to come by and get them they are yours. Ill actually probably be up there Sat night. I dont know if your coming to Jersey as most people from NY do, for this Memorial day weekend. Let me know.

Im not planning on it, but i could meet you somewhere. give me a call

845-405-6637

 

[94tbird]

took the cam out on the drivers side. it doesnt seem to be any lifters or followers. none are collaped. they all seem to have a small bit of side play in them, even the one we replaced when we first tore into it so it seems normal.

there isnt any movement in the cam gear on the cam itself either so i dont think it is that.

 

[nycmikie1]

I am still betting the cam on that pass side of the engine is the problem why you lost 30 psi first find the psi problem then go for the noise first try starting the car up without the belt on then see if it is something driven by the belt

took the cam out on the drivers side. it doesnt seem to be any lifters or followers. none are collaped. they all seem to have a small bit of side play in them, even the one we replaced when we first tore into it so it seems normal.

there isnt any movement in the cam gear on the cam itself either so i dont think it is that.

 

[94tbird]

I am still betting the cam on that pass side of the engine is the problem why you lost 30 psi

pass side is higher than drivers side. and theres no damage to the cam mike. it was only 1 intake lobe not the whole cam. and the entire driversside engine is down on compression. i blame the builder on that

 

[nycmikie1]

don't blame him yet its the complete side Ron not 1 cylinder and again the leak down is good cam first!be open minded that cam still can be degree in wrong from the factory in other words you line your marks up correct but the cam is still in wrong.

pass side is higher than drivers side. and theres no damage to the cam mike. it was only 1 intake lobe not the whole cam. and the entire driversside engine is down on compression. i blame the builder on that

 

[Freaknazty]

pass side is higher than drivers side. and theres no damage to the cam mike. it was only 1 intake lobe not the whole cam. and the entire driversside engine is down on compression. i blame the builder on that

it could be something as stupid as different height gaskets ron as far as the compression , if he's as big a tool as everyone says he probably used different gaskets ....just whatever he had laying around ....has to be because like you said for the whole side to be down just doesn't make sense , but im no builder so i could be wrong also

now as far as the knocking noise don't those cams have to be " shimmed " ? maybe one of the shims get knocked out of place or messed up when the motor let go ? i dunno man just throwing some ideas out there

 

[94tbird]

don't blame him yet its the complete side Ron not 1 cylinder and again the leak down is good cam first!be open minded

Im about as open minded as i can be right now mike. i guess i dont undertand how the cam could be causing anything. I think my main concern is the noise. ill deal with compression later.

it could be something as stupid as different height gaskets ron as far as the compression , if he's as big a tool as everyone says he probably used different gaskets ....just whatever he had laying around ....has to be because like you said for the whole side to be down just doesn't make sense , but im no builder so i could be wrong also

now as far as the knocking noise don't those cams have to be " shimmed " ? maybe one of the shims get knocked out of place or messed up when the motor let go ? i dunno man just throwing some ideas out there

they are shimmed. and the shims are there. 2 washer looknig things per lifter. We provided him gaskets. stockers. the use of the cometic gaskets wasnt really out there yet. now if he used them who knows but he had 2 new stock head gaskets. good idea though i like the thinking.

 

[nycmikie1]

you just said there was no other head gaskets available so you have to believe they are the same thickness that's why you need to do this Ron and take the guessing out of this problem

Im about as open minded as i can be right now mike. i guess i dont undertand how the cam could be causing anything. I think my main concern is the noise. ill deal with compression later.



they are shimmed. and the shims are there. 2 washer looknig things per lifter. We provided him gaskets. stockers. the use of the cometic gaskets wasnt really out there yet. now if he used them who knows but he had 2 new stock head gaskets. good idea though i like the thinking.

 

[94tbird]

you just said there was no other head gaskets available so you have to believe they are the same thickness

noty that there wasnt anything else available but it wasnt common knowledge to use the cometic gaskets yet. but bythat logic we can be pretty sure they are the same yes

 

[Freaknazty]

they are shimmed. and the shims are there. 2 washer looknig things per lifter. We provided him gaskets. stockers. the use of the cometic gaskets wasnt really out there yet. now if he used them who knows but he had 2 new stock head gaskets. good idea though i like the thinking.

gotcha huh ..........you do have both the lockouts the same right lol ? both at ful retard or full out ? i dunno man fuck , the shim thing was my good thought for the day lol i duno man best i can say would be to make a list of what all exactly was checked and verified good work your way through the top end

phasers
limiters
cam gears
shims
valves
ect.

i kinda have to agree with mike they are the next thing in line to check i highly doubt it's possible to bend a cam but i know you have seen done stranger shit yourself kinda like ck with the rear brake caliper breaking and just falling off lol

 

[94tbird]

gotcha huh ..........you do have both the lockouts the same right lol ? both at ful retard or full out ? i dunno man fuck , the shim thing was my good thought for the day lol i duno man best i can say would be to make a list of what all exactly was checked and verified good work your way through the top end

phasers
limiters
cam gears
shims
valves
ect.

i kinda have to agree with mike they are the next thing in line to check i highly doubt it's possible to bend a cam but i know you have seen done stranger shit yourself kinda like ck with the rear brake caliper breaking and just falling off lol

lockouts were donr by PMP. they havent been touched so they are correct. we never removed the cam gears fro mthe cams. always toom the cam and gear out as once piece

 

[Freaknazty]

noty that there wasnt anything else available but it wasnt common knowledge to use the cometic gaskets yet. but bythat logic we can be pretty sure they are the same yes

isn't a 2v , 4v head gasket basically the same bore wise n all ?

 

[nycmikie1]

lots of hands have been in that engine so take nothing for granted and look 1 piece at a time to make sure it is correct if this was a older engine you could put a degree wheel on those cams and check them so since you don't have these tools you need to do it but changing out the cam so it's the hard way

lockouts were donr by PMP. they havent been touched so they are correct. we never removed the cam gears fro mthe cams. always toom the cam and gear out as once piece