Pypes Long Tube Headers

[NastyStang113]

So who's going to be the tester? If Pypes follow's it's own past, the first sets will be the best.

 

[JAY86]

damn.... the pypes do look the same sort of.... I might bite. not sure yet.... i guess ill see when i get back from my trip.... im in cali right and its a cookin outside!!!

if its not the pypes then im convinced kooks and mac's are the best.

 

[trill gear head]

I just recently installed Pacesetter LT's on my v6 and they fit except for one problem. The Dipstick was in the way so I had to take it out and then put it back in after the header install. Other than that it works fine. I did however paint my headers with charcoal grill paint and it seems to be holding up fine after 1 month.

 

[470 GT/CS]

So who's going to be the tester? If Pypes follow's it's own past, the first sets will be the best.

That makes sense, quality is good at first as the public starts buying the product, but as they gradually up production, quality control becomes less thorough, resulting in a lesser quality product.

 

[EvlMnky]

If the quality of their long tubes is anything like the quality of their midpipes, I'd say avoid those headers at all costs.

i have the chinese made OBX longtubes and feel the same way about Pypes. Prior to getting the LTs i got a Pypes O/R X and MM and they fit like shit. i especially had problems with the X...could never get it to seal against the stock manifolds on one side.

 

[bigray327]

So who's going to be the tester?

Brenspeed. I emailed them and they said they're installing a set next week. Hopefully they'll post a review here.

 

[Bkid]

I would not put them on my car. Kooks, ARH, or Stainless works are the only ones I would use. Buy American.

 

[NastyStang113]

i have the chinese made OBX longtubes and feel the same way about Pypes. Prior to getting the LTs i got a Pypes O/R X and MM and they fit like shit. i especially had problems with the X...could never get it to seal against the stock manifolds on one side.

Did you have a one piece x-pipe?

 

[Random Asshole]

Has anybody noticed the pic in the link the OP posted look exactly like kooks headers. If they copied kooks design these headers may fit pretty decent cause my kooks headers have plenty of clearance.

That's because pypes cloned the kooks design, apparently. I forget who it was on this forum, but he bought the very set that pypes used as a template from a pypes booth at some car show. (For $500 bucks, btw. I wanted to kick him in his balls..j/k) So, they may turn out OK, but I wouldn't bet my time and frustration on it. Some swear they had no problems with pypes products, but I'm on the other side.

I've got the pypes mid muffs and it's a love/hate relationship. I love the sound with my kooks LT's (that I payed alot more than 500 bucks for..still erks me, lol) But I can't believe the fitment issues I've had. After I gave up tying to install itmyself, I've spent more on paying an exhaust shop fix the hanger and over axle pype clearance issues than I did on the exhaust system itself. I'm a decent wrench, so don't play that card. I just don't weld. The exhaust shop owner (of 21 years experience) proclaimed it the absolute worst exhaust system he's ever touched. That being said, unless you're hell bent on the sound like I am, stay away for your own good.

On a side note: Who bought stainless steel clamps for their mid muffs? From who? What sizes you go with? PM me please.

 

[Chris06GT]

My question is, where to find a matching x-pipe for the headers.....

 

[TexasKyle]

After 4 times, over three months, of trying to get Pypes catted H to actually fit up, I finally got pissed and cut the H part into four sections with a Sawsall and pitched it all in the trash can. I tried modifying bands, trimming, inserts, you name it. To the ones that got their Pypes stuff to fit, congrats. Alot of us were no where near as lucky. I wouldn't touch another Pypes product if they gave it to me....I have plenty of sawsall blades though....

 

[mikez]

random asshole: Yeah, that was me and kooks are glorious!!

The way the pypes guys were talking they are coming out with an x-pipe first.

pypes longtube P/N: HDR55S

One thing that may be different on the pypes headers vs. the kooks is the collector, i don't remember what the pypes setup had.

 

[duece05]

They make low cost, leaky pile of shit midpipes. Their offroad H-pipes come in four pieces, for pete's sake, so you have to weld them together. There are some of us that can't get a good seal on manifolds, period. The fit is just bad, and I doubt they'd ramp up their quality control for headers.

I'm happy to see someone with a brand name making medium-cost long tubes, though. The Kooks and ARH marketing machines have brainwashed the community to think that their 3v headers should be $1200 whereas all other models are a third of the price. All for some bent steel pipes. So any money out of their pockets is fine with me.

To answer your other questions, yes you should get them coated. These things get H-O-T and keeping that heat away from other components is good. Also, you will most definitely need O2 extensions for your rear O2 sensors, since having long tubes moves all of that aft.

Also note: you'll need a midpipe that works with these headers. The Pypes offroah H they sell to idiots like me for stock applications probably won't work with these.

I have BBK headers and O/R "X" pipe. they fit perfect and fit perfect everywhere ceramic coated LT's are $560 and the O/R "X" was about $230

I think that is about as fair as you can get for what you spend

 

[RetroGT2006]

Jay86, thanks for the heads up on your thread(as you know i posted my own on my other forum)..

However my thread barely got any responses on two other forums. I am glad to see everyone here has replied with their opinions and shared their stories.

This has proven to me to stay away from them until we hear more good news.

I guess i will be sticking to MAC LT's with O/R Prochamber. Cheap setup, apparently fits great, nice quality and gives nice power like the kooks. I wanted Kooks, but $1360 for me is steep for exhaust. I am only 20 years old.

I hope that we hear from brenspeed after they install it on their car.

 

[JAY86]

Jay86, thanks for the heads up on your thread(as you know i posted my own on my other forum)..

However my thread barely got any responses on two other forums. I am glad to see everyone here has replied with their opinions and shared their stories.

This has proven to me to stay away from them until we hear more good news.

I guess i will be sticking to MAC LT's with O/R Prochamber. Cheap setup, apparently fits great, nice quality and gives nice power like the kooks. I wanted Kooks, but $1360 for me is steep for exhaust. I am only 20 years old.

I hope that we hear from brenspeed after they install it on their car.

yah im in the same boat bud... unless we start getting feedback from installed setups of the l/t pypes headers im prolly not gunna bite.

I was initially sold on kooks... but have since changed my mind on getting MAC as well and O/R prochamber.

My question about the O/R prochamber would be... can you use your stock cats with it somehow? or perhaps buy high flow cats make the o/r prochamber catted? .... exhaust newbie here, LOL.

 

[RED09GT]

My question about the O/R prochamber would be... can you use your stock cats with it somehow? or perhaps buy high flow cats make the o/r prochamber catted? .... exhaust newbie here, LOL.

It's too bad that companies don't list the dimensions of stuff like this so we can determine if something like this can be done. I can see why they don't due to all the copying going on. The inlet and outlet of the stock cat would likely make it difficult to fit up to the rest of the stock exhaust but there are plenty of aftermarket converters that can likely be spliced into the prochamber.

 

[JAY86]

It's too bad that companies don't list the dimensions of stuff like this so we can determine if something like this can be done. I can see why they don't due to all the copying going on. The inlet and outlet of the stock cat would likely make it difficult to fit up to the rest of the stock exhaust but there are plenty of aftermarket converters that can likely be spliced into the prochamber.

yah thats what im wondering... i assumed that if i bought high flow aftermarket cat converters that they would fit right up with the prochamber.... im wondering if someone can confirm this... and if so, which exact high flow cats are the ones that fit.

 

[bigwilly43729]

yah thats what im wondering... i assumed that if i bought high flow aftermarket cat converters that they would fit right up with the prochamber.... im wondering if someone can confirm this... and if so, which exact high flow cats are the ones that fit.

You probably could, but it's likely you are going to be looking at a little bit of fab work. I doubt it would be anything major, but I guess the budget would come into play.

I'd buy the O/R prochamber and have some Pypes high flow cats welded in. I think those are about $70.

 

[JAY86]

You probably could, but it's likely you are going to be looking at a little bit of fab work. I doubt it would be anything major, but I guess the budget would come into play.

I'd buy the O/R prochamber and have some Pypes high flow cats welded in. I think those are about $70.

yah im not shy to spend a little extra to weld on some high flows cats... but where are you getting the $70 price for the cats? is that price for each cat? I looked around and found them around the $160-$180 range for both cats.

 

[RED09GT]

yah im not shy to spend a little extra to weld on some high flows cats... but where are you getting the $70 price for the cats? is that price for each cat? I looked around and found them around the $160-$180 range for both cats.

A lot of the time the cats will have a slip fit and can be clamped on after you cut the pro-chamber, x-pipe or whatever you splice them in to, that makes alignment very easy and you can then find someone with a welder to weld it together for you.