Not happy with the stangs handling

[Bizzyb0nes]

for me it is because i can not own a vette because of insurance costs.

but a modified mustang is the best thing i can get till im 25+

Its cheaper to insurance a c6 then an s197 for me..about $20 a month

 

[Sam Strano]

Floaty is a damping issue. I'm sorry, I don't recall what shocks. D-specs? How about the settings? How about the spring rates?

 

[pieperz06]

Its cheaper to insurance a c6 then an s197 for me..about $20 a month

mine is over 1k a year and with a vette it would go up significantly

 

[Kaldar142]

. The only downside with the 'vette is cost of ownership (parts) and practicality.

The price on parts for it have already killed me lol

Floaty is a damping issue. I'm sorry, I don't recall what shocks. D-specs? How about the settings? How about the spring rates?

Ground control coilovers, AKA Konis w/ eibach springs. Not sure of the EXACT rates but they are pretty damn stiff, they advertise them as the "track/school" kit.

Floaty was a bad word to describe what i'm feeling, after driving the car around for a few days it feels much better as i've just gotten used to it again.

My biggest concerns as far as the mustang goes now;

its pretty bumpy, its not THAT low but probably lower than it should be for optimum handling. Its actually lowered down all the way on the ground control kit, which is a tad bit lower than the Pro-kit (if i had to guess i'd say lowered overall 1.7 to 1.8).

second issue is... the steering feels really light, when i take a turn in the vette, the steering is very firm. The stangs steering feels just... light, almost like no resistance lol

 

[pieperz06]

second issue is... the steering feels really light, when i take a turn in the vette, the steering is very firm. The stangs steering feels just... light, almost like no resistance lol

switch to a manual rack lol

 

[3vs197]

mine is over 1k a year and with a vette it would go up significantly

really? to insure a c5 vette, insurance is about $20 cheaper a month and a c6 is only about $20 more a month. im 23 with a clean record and i pay $72 a month full coverage now and i even checked on a 08 z06 and it was only like $130 a month which is very reasonable. i think a c5 is cheaper because ins companies look at frequency of repair and most vettes arent driven and overall are involved in very few accidents so its a cheap car for them to insure.

 

[2k05gt]

Toss one of these on and call it a day..

http://www.hotrodsusa.com/store/cf_irs.html

http://mustangirs.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=29

 

[Rubrignitz]

This live axle discussion has been beaten to death. The Griggs setup changes the geometry of the chassis and feels totally different. The torque arm eliminates the "snap". The SLA front end maintains the geometry more accurately during suspension travel. The car feels light. In the hands of a capable driver it will run with anything remotely comparable in power/weight ratio.

The track should be the ultimate proving ground, not talking points. Just like some people criticize the LS7 for being a low tech pushrod engine. When you line up next to a 12 cylinder, 72 valve, 48,000 moving parts Ferrari and smoke his butt no one's going to car about the pushrods.

The 'snap' is what annoys me the most about the rear suspension in this car. I've often wondered what a torque arm would feel like on an S197. My 02' SS had one and def had a different rear 'feel' to it.

 

[BOSS324]

Man after driving my 2 ton sled (Marauder) around stock setup then driving the wifes 06 GT with FR3 Handling pack yeah....apples and oranges. The Z06 is a sports car and the Mustang is a 2+2 Sporty/Muscle Car. However, the S197 is leaps and bound a much better platform then my old SN95....

 

[DusterRT]

Add me to the list of people who chuckled a little when I read you complain that a Mustang with a mid-range suspension setup handles worse than a purpose-built sports car...

Ground control coilovers, AKA Konis w/ eibach springs. Not sure of the EXACT rates but they are pretty damn stiff, they advertise them as the "track/school" kit.

IIRC they're 380/200. My "street" setup is 340/175, and I lack the weight of a blower up front and have been thinking about getting slightly stiffer springs in the back. I didn't think it was too bad ride-wise, but my previous DD was a Wrangler..

its pretty bumpy, its not THAT low but probably lower than it should be for optimum handling. Its actually lowered down all the way on the ground control kit, which is a tad bit lower than the Pro-kit (if i had to guess i'd say lowered overall 1.7 to 1.8).

Might try coming up 1/2" or so. How are your A-arms's, LCA's? Level with the ground? High at the ball joint? FWIW, I'm running roughly in the middle of the adjustment range; you could be hitting the bump stops if you're all the way at the bottom. My A-arms are about level and with relocation brackets I've got roughly 2.5 degrees downward angle on the LCA's.

second issue is... the steering feels really light, when i take a turn in the vette, the steering is very firm. The stangs steering feels just... light, almost like no resistance lol

You could always try the FR500C rack, but unless you know a guy, that'll set you back over $1000. Not a whole lot you can do there, we just have over-boosted PS systems. Or if you're feeling really adventurous you could be the first to retrofit EPAS and try playing with the computer module calibrations..

 

[pieperz06]

You could always try the FR500C rack, but unless you know a guy, that'll set you back over $1000. Not a whole lot you can do there, we just have over-boosted PS systems. Or if you're feeling really adventurous you could be the first to retrofit EPAS and try playing with the computer module calibrations..

what about the griggs steering rack it says it is 15-1 ratio im not sure what it is stock but there race rack may do some thing

 

[DusterRT]

what about the griggs steering rack it says it is 15-1 ratio im not sure what it is stock but there race rack may do some thing

I have no experience with it or the FR500C rack, I was merely pointing out that it's out there. Now that I think about it the C's use a different tie rod end, maybe the difference is in the tie rod and/or inner joint. I'd do some more homework before investing in that unit..

To add some tech..stock/FR500C racks are 15.7:1.

 

[pieperz06]

I have no experience with it or the FR500C rack, I was merely pointing out that it's out there. Now that I think about it the C's use a different tie rod end, maybe the difference is in the tie rod and/or inner joint. I'd do some more homework before investing in that unit..

To add some tech..stock/FR500C racks are 15.7:1.

lol glad you added that i have been looking for that info

 

[marksti]

I see two schools of thought here:

1.Guys wanting to go fast and comparing a mustang gt with light bolts ons to a Z06..???..You can't get world class speed on a peanut budget.

2.Guys that know to biuld a good car costs $$$, but the rewards are worth it

Not that investing 10k or 20k into a car is for everybody tho.

 

[pcdrj]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPC899mdkF8

It can be done.

 

[S197steve]

The handling car I've ever experienced is a Factory Five Cobra replica on NT555Rs. The car was incredibly nimble and could hold a line like nothing I've ever been in before. Going from that back to my Mustang was eye opening for sure, but I have no illusions of what my car is... a good handling muscle car. For me to expect it to handle like the FFR (or Z06) would be foolish. I'm not saying that's what you're expecting, but realize what you're working with as a base platform and enjoy the car for what it is.

That being said, I've got 2nd dibs on the wheels should you decide to part out.

 

[ArizonaGT]

The FR500C rack is $1500, btw...

 

[DusterRT]

The FR500C rack is $1500, btw...

Not at the fleamarket:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford...ptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

Also noteworthy:

Quick ratio, 15.6:1, steering rack for road racing. Refined high speed feedback. Service replacement steering rack for the Mustang FR500C race car. Fits 2005-08 Mustang GT and 2007-08 Shelby GT500.

 

[Preston951]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPC899mdkF8

It can be done.

That's the video! Bad ass. But hella expensive.

 

[jmauld]

If you've had the koni's on for more than 6 months, pull them off and send them in for a rebuild. They're overdue.