JLT before & after on another stocker

[3VPOWA]

of course it is, read the fine print adn it'll say that. "on 93 octane" its true number but half the country doesn't get 93 pump gas.

And I don't think a lot of people know that the new 5.0, stock, can take 87 or 93, with the latter letting the engine make a little more power.

 

[06silverbullet]

And I don't think a lot of people know that the new 5.0, stock, can take 87 or 93, with the latter letting the engine make a little more power.

even if it didn't, you take 87 octane it'll make less then with 93 obviously. it's more the point that instead of them using the same octane to prove what the part really makes it's kinda fibbing especially as i can't get 93 octane "pump gas" in cali but thats my opinion. i don't hold it against them i don't buy parts on what vendors say i buy parts on what people whom have bought them and aren't making money off the part.

 

[Tucker]

Because all vendors mentioned are JLT dealers and friends I refuse to speak for them, but all I can say is we tested all our CAI and tunes on cars with 93 stock and 93 after. I've seen a car gain 10+ RWHP from the stock 87 tank to a 93 tank a few hundred miles later (Our Grabber Blue Loaner car did this).

As mentioned, Bama got 22 RWHP from Brand X&X CAI and tune, BBR got 17 RWHP from a Steeda and Steeda tune (not BBR tune) a while back (John correct me if I'm wrong, don't want to speak for you)
Our CF CAI is a much larger and smoother tube then the others with a huge 110+ mm MAF and one piece construction, plus a larger 4.5x9" Powerstack airfiler. So I can see a few more HP over the compitition
All I can say is do your research, ask those who have used it and have dynoed it. We have half a dozen test units out there and will have more 3rd party results coming out very soon

We are testing on several cars, not just one and even though kits will start shipping next week, we will do more before and afters on local customers cars here to double, triple and quadtrupil check the results and tune quality.

Thanks
Jay

 

[Tucker]

even if it didn't, you take 87 octane it'll make less then with 93 obviously. it's more the point that instead of them using the same octane to prove what the part really makes it's kinda fibbing especially as i can't get 93 octane "pump gas" in cali but thats my opinion. i don't hold it against them i don't buy parts on what vendors say i buy parts on what people whom have bought them and aren't making money off the part.

The difference between 91 and 93 are very small, almost nothing, but 87-91 is big.
So you can expect very close to 93 numbers with 91.

 

[DIB5.0]

Is the Steeda tune more conservative like the Ford Racing tune? Bama got 26-27rwhp with Bama tune and Steeda intake i was told. VMP are getting the same #'s with tune and intake i was also told. Even the SCT canned tune got 16.5 rwhp alone.
Who knows how many vendors just leave the SCT tune as is and put their name on it since not many are making anymore power with their tunes than the SCT canned.

 

[JJ@WMS]

Most major gains are claimed by running the car stock on 87 octane and then tuning it on 93 octane. Those are going to be the biggest gains and the ones that get your attention. We were one of the very first companies to start tuning this new 5.0 and tested the first available CAI. The MMR unit was sold with claims of 25hp with no tune and it didnt even come close to the advertised gains (read maybe 7hp gain with poor fitment/design). Jay has advertised exactly what his CAI does and is honest with his results, something that is rare these days and something that he and I have in common.

I think the JLT CAI is the best looking and best thought out CAI's available for the 2011 GT. We proudly run the unit and have achieved the results with our car that Jay said we would. He didnt promise us the moon and stars and then not deliver, he promised a quality product that worked exactly as advertised and I thank him for that.

For those that question the gains reported by other companies I suggest just giving them a call and asking them how they got those gains and if you do decide to purchase from them make sure you get what you pay for and get the results they promise.

JLT FTW!!

JJ

 

[Tucker]

Is the Steeda tune more conservative like the Ford Racing tune? Bama got 26-27rwhp with Bama tune and Steeda intake i was told. VMP are getting the same #'s with tune and intake i was also told. Even the SCT canned tune got 16.5 rwhp alone.
Who knows how many vendors just leave the SCT tune as is and put their name on it since not many are making anymore power with their tunes than the SCT canned.

I'd have to look back, but I though Bama only got 22 in the video.
I've tested SCT's canned tune and it got no where near 16.5 RWHP, look for more graphs on that from vendors, ask for proof. Custom tunes are barely getting that, more like 14-16

Most major gains are claimed by running the car stock on 87 octane and then tuning it on 93 octane. Those are going to be the biggest gains and the ones that get your attention. We were one of the very first companies to start tuning this new 5.0 and tested the first available CAI. The MMR unit was sold with claims of 25hp with no tune and it didnt even come close to the advertised gains (read maybe 7hp gain with poor fitment/design). Jay has advertised exactly what his CAI does and is honest with his results, something that is rare these days and something that he and I have in common.

I think the JLT CAI is the best looking and best thought out CAI's available for the 2011 GT. We proudly run the unit and have achieved the results with our car that Jay said we would. He didnt promise us the moon and stars and then not deliver, he promised a quality product that worked exactly as advertised and I thank him for that.

For those that question the gains reported by other companies I suggest just giving them a call and asking them how they got those gains and if you do decide to purchase from them make sure you get what you pay for and get the results they promise.

JLT FTW!!

JJ

Thanks for the post JJ. My customers will get what I claim and I can sleep with that.

Jay

 

[DIB5.0]

I'd have to look back, but I though Bama only got 22 in the video.
I've tested SCT's canned tune and it got no where near 16.5 RWHP, look for more graphs on that from vendors, ask for proof. Custom tunes are barely getting that, more like 14-16


Thanks for the post JJ. My customers will get what I claim and I can sleep with that.
Jay

So the video on SCT's site about getting 16.5 rwhp is a bunch of shit ha?

Yes they only got 22 with the C&L but said they got 4-5 more rwhp with the Steeda.

 

[Casey4s]

I just installed the JLT on my 05 GT and it seems to be working OK but I did several things at the same time to save on the dyno time so I can't isolate what HP I got from what.

It seems really well made but I am concerned at how HOT the main delivery tube gets. I tried to make a heat shield for the tube but it is sitting up against the lower radiator hose near the Tstat. If the tube is that hot, is the air inside the tube cooler?

 

[JDM74]

I just installed the JLT on my 05 GT and it seems to be working OK but I did several things at the same time to save on the dyno time so I can't isolate what HP I got from what.

It seems really well made but I am concerned at how HOT the main delivery tube gets. I tried to make a heat shield for the tube but it is sitting up against the lower radiator hose near the Tstat. If the tube is that hot, is the air inside the tube cooler?

Think about this:

How fast is the air in the tube moving into the engine at WOT at 5k RPM? Think about how long it is in that hot tube. You think that is enough time to raise the temperature a significant amount? The more important thing is to suck in air that is already cool.

 

[Intervention]

I'd have to look back, but I though Bama only got 22 in the video.
I've tested SCT's canned tune and it got no where near 16.5 RWHP, look for more graphs on that from vendors, ask for proof. Custom tunes are barely getting that, more like 14-16

Jay

Here is my "canned" SCT tune, with a hint of fuel taken out(gained ~1hp)


Take it for what its worth

 

[Tucker]

That's good to see, the only thing to mention is the runs were done on different days, so that can be off, but still good info. It's always best to do testing the same day to be accurate, but this is still good info, thanks.

Your canned tune gained 19 RWHP and 22 RWTQ at 32-3300 rpm and 11 RWHP and 18 RWTQ @ peak

Here our CAI and tune package gained 33 RWHP and 40 RWTQ at 3300 rpm and 30 RWHP and 35 RWTQ at peak.

That's a difference of 18 HP and 18 TQ @ 3300 rpm and 19 HP and 22 TQ @ peak over a "canned" tune only.

So, does the CAI work? I'd say so.
Does a custom tune only gain 28+ ? I haven't seen it, but I don't see 10-15 additional RWHP coming from a different tune on a N/A car.

Lot's more info to come.

Thanks
Jay

 

[Tucker]

I just installed the JLT on my 05 GT and it seems to be working OK but I did several things at the same time to save on the dyno time so I can't isolate what HP I got from what.

It seems really well made but I am concerned at how HOT the main delivery tube gets. I tried to make a heat shield for the tube but it is sitting up against the lower radiator hose near the Tstat. If the tube is that hot, is the air inside the tube cooler?

This is why we make them out of ABS plastic, so they don't transfer the heat to the in coming air.
Just imagine if you have one of those other brands made from aluminum which is a super conductor and one of the fastest materials to absorb and transfer heat...
Funny many of them went to making plastic intakes tubes here lately too.

 

[Intervention]

That's good to see, the only thing to mention is the runs were done on different days, so that can be off, but still good info. It's always best to do testing the same day to be accurate, but this is still good info, thanks.

Your canned tune gained 19 RWHP and 22 RWTQ at 32-3300 rpm and 11 RWHP and 18 RWTQ @ peak

Here our CAI and tune package gained 33 RWHP and 40 RWTQ at 3300 rpm and 30 RWHP and 35 RWTQ at peak.

That's a difference of 18 HP and 18 TQ @ 3300 rpm and 19 HP and 22 TQ @ peak over a "canned" tune only.

So, does the CAI work? I'd say so.
Does a custom tune only gain 28+ ? I haven't seen it, but I don't see 10-15 additional RWHP coming from a different tune on a N/A car.

Lot's more info to come.

Thanks
Jay

Yeah, I couldnt help the different day scenario. My tuner, who is one of the best in the area, says the tune is almost maxed out anyways. While we could not do any custom tuning on this day(no datalogging available), he says he can possibly get another 3-4wheel out of it. I just cant see gains of more 20-25 with just a tune... (93 octane to 93 octane)

 

[Tucker]

Yeah, I couldnt help the different day scenario. My tuner, who is one of the best in the area, says the tune is almost maxed out anyways. While we could not do any custom tuning on this day(no datalogging available), he says he can possibly get another 3-4wheel out of it. I just cant see gains of more 20-25 with just a tune... (93 octane to 93 octane)

Didn't you have a "custom" tune? Not "dyno" tune, but custom tune from XX?

Maybe I'm confusing you with another guy?

 

[Intervention]

Didn't you have a "custom" tune? Not "dyno" tune, but custom tune from XX?

Maybe I'm confusing you with another guy?

Now I'm getting confused...

My tune is straight from SCT, with a small amount of fuel taken out of it. (To my knowledge at least)

We plan on custom tuning it when I go back on September 22nd with my longtubes and catback, and hopefully your intake


I met you at the MW AutoX event (I'm Kevin)

 

[antonio1988]

Very impressive gains regardless of how much may be the tune or the intake, all I know is these things are making some serious power and are a force to be reckoned with no matter what

 

[Steedagus]

I wasnt planning on posting in this thread, but some things really need to be cleared up, even if I'm just beating a dead horse with all the times I've said them.

Who's claiming 28-30 with just a tune?

SCT has. And we've seen similar gains, I believe Brenspeed and Livernois, among others, have as well.

Now I believe SCT's gains were 87 octane to 91+. Much like we did. A subject I've discussed to DEATH on other boards. But since I couldnt find that I had on this one, I'll rehash.

The reason we went with 87 vs 91+ testing is because at the time we commented that with 2010-earlier cars, over 90% of the people that came to us to do a cold air and intake as their first mod on a STOCK car were running 87 octane.

Those comments and assumptions were made many months ago before we had a clear track record of customers to confirm what we were expecting. Now since then and to this day, over 80% of the 2011 GT owners me and my staff have talked to that want to do their first modification are running 87 octane and stepping up to 91 or 93 with the tuning. We showed our gains starting with 87 octane because we thought that is what the majority of our customers are stepping up from. Now it turns out we were right. In fact, I've had 2 5.0's dropped off at our shop just in the past few days both with 87 octane in the tank.

I know some of you will debate otherwise and I've already debated this subject to death on other threads and all I will say is this. Work here for a week and take the calls we take. Your eyes will be opened. Those of us here that are on the boards make up only a fraction of the demographic buying and modifying Mustangs. Maybe none of us here would dare put anything less than 91 octane in these 2011 cars. I certainly would not. But thats just us.

Will the gains be less if you already have 91 or 93 octane in the tank. Absolutely. I've discussed that before at length and wont expand on that anymore.

Beware of unrealistic "claims" of HP. If someone says 28-30 with just a tune, ask for proof, if someone says 44-56 with a CAI and tune run away.

The proof is out there. Now the caveat is that the 28+hp gains are from 87 to 91+ octane as I have explained. Whether you agree with why this was done that way or not. It is what it is. We gained our 44 claimed horsepower on 87 vs 93.

Livernois showed gains of 40hp on a 93 to 93 test with our cold air and tune. Testing done on the same day, same dyno within 20 minutes. We have some of the fastest trap speeds for a car with just a cold air and tune that I have seen. I've seen others claiming 40hp from other modifications such as full exhaust and tuning on stock airbox, yet they are barely trapping faster than stock, and 3+mph slower than our car that has fully stock exhaust and running only a cold air and tune on 93 octane.

So if people wants to keep questioning our advertised gains after all the data we've posted and all the independent testing that been released thats fine, the track is the best dyno there is, and if you dont believe gains of around 40hp can give you 3 to 4mph of trap speed at the track like we have shown, then there is nothing that will convince you otherwise. It is what it is.

 

[Intervention]

Now I believe SCT's gains were 87 octane to 91+. Much like we did. A subject I've discussed to DEATH on other boards. But since I couldnt find that I had on this one, I'll rehash.

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So if people wants to keep questioning our advertised gains after all the data we've posted and all the independent testing that been released thats fine, the track is the best dyno there is, and if you dont believe gains of around 40hp can give you 3 to 4mph of trap speed at the track like we have shown, then there is nothing that will convince you otherwise. It is what it is.

Thats a good post...

The biggest thing is the stock octane level. I am positive I would have seen gains of 25-30+ at the wheels if my baseline was on 87, and not 93. I saw gains of 12RWHP from 93 to 93 with a SCT base tune

Now is it impossible to see huge gains of 20-25RWHP with just a tune on 93-93, probably not. I just didnt see them on my "basic" testing

 

[Tucker]

You are right, it has been beat to DEATH and no good proof has come out.

Steeda first test the base line car made 330's RWHP
Hmmm, No other car has done that here or anywhere on the net for that matter

SCT's facebook page has a graph from their test only gaining 28 with the Steeda and tune (8 from the Steeda alone)

1 other customer at Livernois made big gains, but he has the one and only car to dyno 392 stock.

We have made the same gains on a few different cars, had JJ from Woodbine gain .2 and 2 mph in the 1/4 and even more "independent" results to come.

We have been pushing the magazines to do a CAI shootout for the 2011 and man I hope they do it.

Why did BBR only gain 17 RWHP?

This guy also didn't get much with the Steeda: http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/2011-mustangs-354/719741-my-5-0-simple-bolt-dyno-progress.html
Here's the inside post:
i have done a few simple bolt on mods, and recorded the progress on the dyno..
stock, 387.22 hp- 361.77 tq
stock with tune 391.54 hp - 371.41 tq
steeda cold air kit and tune 401.46 hp - 381.32 tq
steed cold air kit, tune, leathal performance x pipe, and magnaflow street catback 425.99 hp - 398.23 tq

So the tune gained him a whopping 4 RWHP and 10 RWTQ.
Added the STEEDA CAI for a extra 10 RWHP and 10 RWTQ

So start to STEEDA and tune he gained 14 RWHP and 20 RWTQ

This is only from 2 minutes of searching, give me time to find more results.

Gus, please don't come in with those 2 odd cars and expect them not to be questioned.
All CAI and tuner kits will make about the same number, if you think one will flow more air then another to gain 14-20 RWHP MORE? Your misleading people. And all what data you posted? one graph with a super low base line? Please, lets compair apples to apples.

I have great respect for Livernois and know they can tune and can make good power, but I like to see car owners get the claimed gains and right now were not seeing it are we?

Jay