I couldn't disagree more. You're stuck on your impression of mod motors from the 90's. A LOT has changed. They're incredibly efficient, easy to work on, cheap to build, and make ridiculous amounts of power with less cubes. Compare the 444hp Boss 5.0L to the 426hp 1LE 6.2L GM -As efficient? No. Or, how about the 662hp supercharged 5.8L GT500 vs the 580hp supercharged 6.2L ZL1? Hmm, not even close there either. So why on earth would Ford even think about more cubes, or pushrods? They won't. There's no reason to fix something that isn't broken.
My 800hp 5.4L is still all stock except the supercharger. It idles like glass, gets 20mpg, and could be driven across the country in any weather conditions without a hiccup. I couldn't ask for anything more. I've had my share of pushrod motors, and I'll never look back.
I think you're stuck on pushrod's not for the reasons you say, but because it's all you know.
I think you're stuck on pushrod's not for the reasons you say said:Why makes you think that I don't know mod motors? Please share your take on this? I am making my decision on power to cost to build. But if your saying a mod motor is the cheapest to build. Please explain to me how? Name one budget build that has made tons of power? Wow you bring up the new 5.0 yeah 15 years it took to make a engine that makes more power than a chevy STOCK. But no one knows what Chevy's next generation will do. yes the ls motors are on the way out and being replaced by the new lt1 series. The most efficient engine is the one that makes the most power in N/A form on the same compression ratio and also with on the same psi on forced induction. PSI on a forced induction application is a direct measurement of inefficiency. But please correct me any where that I am wrong at. I am always willing to learn and be corrected. As that is the only way to learn. When both companies come out with v6 engines that make as much as older v8 engines that is call technology advancement. Do you think the aftermarket companies stop developing for the old push rod engines. Actually the factories are always behind aftermarket development. If they wasn't there would be no need for a aftermarket cause there would be no room for improvement. I am not loyal to any brand for me it's all about going fast weather it be ford,gm,dodge and even if they made one of those piggy bank cars that hauled ass.
School him, Sam.
Maybe this site isn't for you. If you take what we're saying as personally as you are, there are other boards better suited for you that are more sensitive to your feelings. What I said in my reply wasn't opinion, it was fact. Sorry it didn't fall in line with your opinion.
This board in general has better tech than probably any other Mustang site out there, but don't let the door hit you on your way out.
Nah my feelings isnt hurt if anything its the other way around.I cant help u poures all you money something that can be done for half the price.
Now that's just ignorance. Go build your car the way you want, then come back and tell us how it worked out for you. I already know what it takes, I've done it. So have many others who offered you advice.
Yep you convinced me to change my mind, lmao. I would have and will do it the way I want, lol. You on a stock bottom end or built? Stock heads or have you had work done? Tell us how much you have in your motor. Then tell what is cheaper to build push rods or mod motor show me my ignorance. Like I said you compared two motors and one on its last year of use. Gm engines only carry for 15 years. So really you was camparing a motor that was or is already obsolete. Gm just done what many people was already doing. So really who displayed ignorance? Really what advice was given? Did I ask any about engine setups? If so please point it out to me. Its not advice when I already know before it was said. So that statement is irrelevant. So don't get butt hurt when I speak the truth.
Yep you convinced me to change my mind, lmao. I would have and will do it the way I want, lol. You on a stock bottom end or built? Stock heads or have you had work done? Tell us how much you have in your motor. Then tell what is cheaper to build push rods or mod motor show me my ignorance. Like I said you compared two motors and one on its last year of use. Gm engines only carry for 15 years. So really you was camparing a motor that was or is already obsolete. Gm just done what many people was already doing. So really who displayed ignorance? Really what advice was given? Did I ask any about engine setups? If so please point it out to me. Its not advice when I already know before it was said. So that statement is irrelevant. So don't get butt hurt when I speak the truth.
Moved to chit chat. There isn't much tech here. The op asked about the a/c and got his answer.
FWIW John Mihovitz is running low 6's with a 281 cubic inch mod motor. It's not a daily driver though.
OP, the other responders have been spot on. You are the one starting the crap and you have gotten pretty ruffled when something is said back that doesn't agree with you. It's obvious you are lacking knowledge about the mod motor platform and the tuning capabilities of the Spanish Oak processor. I personally think that BS3 or fast will be more difficult than using SCT Advantage and the stock ecu but it's totally your call. My experience is with Advantage. I've seen the stand alone software being used and the tuner showed me why he didn't like it as well as the Advantage I use. He had most of the same options but very few canned parameters for things like injectors or even basic tables to start with that were for the motor he was tuning.
It really sounds like you already had your mind made up before posting this thread. Since this is web site dedicated to a mod motor powered car I don't think you will find what you are looking for here. I can't understand why you would you even start the debate after you had your answer about the a/c? The folks who suggested staying with a mod motor were only trying to help you save your hard earned money. They aren't trying to debate you.
This is completely true a modular engine will always be limited for cubes by design. Unless ford completely redesigns the block, which will never happen. To be honest I bet they wished they had stayed with a push rod design like chevy did. There is a reason ls motors are so much cheaper than modular engines.They are cheaper to build and manufacture by design and just as efficient. If ford could have looked into the future to see the technology advancements that has been made. They would have scraped the mod motor idea. This is also why it took so long for the aftermarket to support the mod motors. If you new to mod motors and was playing with them in 90's like I was. There wasn't a lot of after market support.
wow since I have made this thread I have been nothing but attacked and insulted. You people are something else. Only a couple of people had anything of value to add to my question. Maybe the site should be changed to opinion instead of tech.
In fact, "Marc S" on this board went the pushrod route with a Nascar motor. Hit him up and see if he'll tell you how much money the whole project cost. That should give you an idea.