2018 Mustang gets 10 Speed Automatic!!

[Racer47]

The software will solve that issue. U have a choice of 9 gears to drop down into, and that will depend on what speed u are going, prior to wot.
Even if it's off by 1 gear, so what, gears 1-7 go from lowest to 1:1 ratio. They are all so close it becomes a non issue.

yeah, easier said than done, we'll see

 

[eighty6gt]

It's more about the mechanical things that 10 assed monkey has to accomplish to be able to get into a useful gear. Even the best autos frustrate me with how long they take to respond or downshift.

See how Ford does, things have definitely been improving.

 

[KatoS197]

The software will solve that issue. U have a choice of 9 gears to drop down into, and that will depend on what speed u are going, prior to wot.
Even if it's off by 1 gear, so what, gears 1-7 go from lowest to 1:1 ratio. They are all so close it becomes a non issue.

I agree, I think even the factory shift schedule will be on point. When I drove the Hellcat Challenger, it was constantly shifting. I think it'd be a little naive to think that Ford/Chevrolet (since this is a joint-venture/investment) didn't look at other 7+ Auto Gearboxes currently on the market to see where the pitfalls and shortcomings are.

Even the shift schedule in the F-150/6R80 does a rev-down when downshifting from 3-2. Pretty badass.

Besides, even if the factory shift schedule wasn't on point, which I doubt, all of your big name tuners are going to have a field day with tune revisions and really get the max out of the new 10R80.

 

[Thenorm]

hopefully downshifts are better than the ZF 9 speed.
here is the technical write up http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2014/02/ur-turn-saturation-dive-into-the-zf-9-speed/

but basically alot of parts need to stop moving.

"a downshift from 8th or 9th to 5th is hard work for this design. As an example if the engine speed is 1700 rpm and a shift from 8th to 5th is required (passing on 2 lane highways), clutch A has 1700 rpm of slip that needs to be reduced to 0 before it can be engaged. So as a first order of business brakes D needs to be disengaged (100 milliseconds), then engine ECU needs to blip the throttle” to increase speed to approximately 2350 rpm (another 400 milliseconds), then engine power needs to be cut and dog clutch A needs to be engaged (another 100 milliseconds), and now you are in sixth after a half a second of no torque at all at the wheels, then another 200 milliseconds of low torque as the transmission finds fifth with a more conventional frictional clutch to frictional clutch shift and your engine speed is finally at the 2900 rpm."

 

[Johnf78]

I have a 8 spd in my Grand Cherokee. Downshifts take no longer than any other auto, in fact it seems quicker than most any other autos I have driven. I dont even notice up shifts. Part throttle keeps it accelerating without effort. Wot is nice, keeping it in the more in the power band. We will just have to see how Ford does with it.

 

[Mr. Q]

The 8-speed transmission does a good job in my 2014 BMW 535i. Even in comfort mode, if I go wot it is very reactive and switches gears immediately.


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[TenSpeed]

It's weird how I just assume that most Mustangs are manuals. Like I would never dream of getting an automatic, ever. Unless I lost a leg and even then I would figure something out.

 

[tjm73]

As much as I love driving a stick shift car, a properly setup automatic will destroy it. No stick shift pulls as hard and nonstop or shifts as fast as an automatic.

 

[TenSpeed]

It will. Every time. I know that. But there is no fun in putting it in drive and going. I can get a Honda Fit if I want to do that. That feeling of taking the car up beyond the designated shift point, and hearing the exhaust winding up louder and louder, and then clutch in, exhaust pops a little, shift, and you get to do it all over again.

 

[RazorbackMustang]

It will. Every time. I know that. But there is no fun in putting it in drive and going. I can get a Honda Fit if I want to do that. That feeling of taking the car up beyond the designated shift point, and hearing the exhaust winding up louder and louder, and then clutch in, exhaust pops a little, shift, and you get to do it all over again.

 

[tjm73]

It will. Every time. I know that. But there is no fun in putting it in drive and going. I can get a Honda Fit if I want to do that. That feeling of taking the car up beyond the designated shift point, and hearing the exhaust winding up louder and louder, and then clutch in, exhaust pops a little, shift, and you get to do it all over again.

Totally get that too. I drove stick pretty much everyday from the day I turned 16 until a few years ago.

But as automatics go, the 10R80 should be pretty sweet.

I have heard rumors that the 6.7 diesels may be getting a 10 speed transmission in the near future too. But it's all speculation at this point.

 

[KatoS197]

It will. Every. Damn. Time. I know that. But there is no fun in putting it in drive and going. I can get a Honda Fit if I want to do that. That feeling of taking the car up beyond the designated shift point, and hearing the exhaust winding up louder and louder, and then clutch in, exhaust pops a little, shift, and you get to do it all over again.

FTFY

 

[Racer47]

It will. Every time. I know that. But there is no fun in putting it in drive and going. I can get a Honda Fit if I want to do that. That feeling of taking the car up beyond the designated shift point, and hearing the exhaust winding up louder and louder, and then clutch in, exhaust pops a little, shift, and you get to do it all over again.

All of this plus the anticipation factor that is impossible to replicate in an auto trans. Like a hill is approaching, you downshift to the gear you want before the motor starts lugging. Or passing on a 2 lane road, drop it to 3rd, wait for clearing, blast by slow car without waiting for trans to pick a gear. Or leaving it in a lower gear than necessary because a tight curve is coming up fast and you want the engine braking and then quick accel out of the corner.

I drive my Explorer in manual mode half the time. Plus even in full auto, I'll often kick it into tow mode just to keep it from constantly shifting from 5th to 6th in normal 60 mph to 70 mph rush hour freeway traffic.

 

[TenSpeed]

I make that exhaust sound like a bowl of Rice Krispies. Snap, crackle and pop. EVERY. DAMN. TIME.

If I did teh drag racez I would be in an automatic. Since I don't, and I am a bit of a purist when it comes to Mustangs, it is a V8 and manual every day that ends in y.

 

[fdjizm]

I make that exhaust sound like a bowl of Rice Krispies. Snap, crackle and pop. EVERY. DAMN. TIME.

If I did teh drag racez I would be in an automatic. Since I don't, and I am a bit of a purist when it comes to Mustangs, it is a V8 and manual every day that ends in y.

I can't even.

 

[Thenorm]

I have a 8 spd in my Grand Cherokee. Downshifts take no longer than any other auto, in fact it seems quicker than most any other autos I have driven. I dont even notice up shifts. Part throttle keeps it accelerating without effort. Wot is nice, keeping it in the more in the power band. We will just have to see how Ford does with it.

the zf 8 speed is a much nicer beast.
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2014/03/saturation-dive-zf-8-speed-automatic/

"All sequential upshifts and downshifts with this design involve just releasing one shift element and engaging another. In engineering literature, this is referred to as a “clutch to clutch” shift. Many skip shifts are also possible in the same way, e.g. a shift from Eighth to Fourth involves releasing brake A and engaging brake B while leaving clutches D and E engaged. This transmission therefore shifts very quickly."

 

[Thenorm]

well shit,
heres the write up on the 10 speed

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/20...10-speed-transmission-power-flow/#more-953033

"Closing remarks on the Ford 10 speed transmission design
The gear ratio numbers presented here are estimates based on the patent filings, the actual gear ratios when the 10R transmission family sees the light of day might very well be slightly different. As noted in the last article, this transmission is unlikely to meet the gear ratio spread of the 9G-Tronic, but the spacing between the gears is pretty much spot on. In my humble opinion, the ground the Ford design gives up to the 9G-Tronic in gear ratio spread, it will probably make up in efficiency because of 1 less open shift element in any given gear.

The genius of this design is the use of an intermediate shaft which is connected to 3 of the 6 shift elements. This intermediate shaft allows for 10 well spaced ratios between the highest and lowest gears, and also simplifies the hydraulic system of the transmission because hydraulic power for half the shift elements goes through one rotating shaft. "

 

[Thereaper]

I'll buy one and if it's half as good as a 6r80, I'll BE REALLY HAPPY.

 

[Five Oh Brian]

I'll buy one and if it's half as good as a 6r80 I'll BE REALLY HAPPY.

I've always thought the 6R80 in my '14 GT is pretty damn good, and it is. However, the 8 speed auto in my '16 Challenger Scat Pack is worlds better. I'm hopeful that the 10 speed in the upcoming Mustang is as good or better yet!