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Terry, thank you for the offer but I do not like taking handouts, in fact, I don't, especially for what we're talking here.

If I did, I feel we would only be sweeping the issue at hand under the rug.

But just so everyone is on the same page:

I paid $4,735 for what I ordered which was - Paxton Tuner Kit with Polished Upgrade, ID1000s, Coyote Specific BAP, and spark plugs.

Terry now says that same kit would cost $5,659. Edit: I believe that $5,659 was before the price increase went into effect.
Ryan ...

So there is a Cash difference of $924.00 Dollars !!!

Thanks for the information.

Sorry Buddy I could have possibly helped some but not to that extent.

I Do-Not know my Bill yet from Brenspeed so it would not be smart for me to even try to pay 1/2 of your difference.

Well man my heart was in the right place but my Billfold ain't able to back up the heart.

My good intentions just ain't gonna be of any help at all.
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I don't think that Tiger was offering a handout. I think that was a very generous "Thank you for your service" offer. I was sort of impressed.
 

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I don't think that Tiger was offering a handout. I think that was a very generous "Thank you for your service" offer. I was sort of impressed.
Yes, you are correct as I also once upon a time in the Military.
And I did not make much money.



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Ryan ...

So there is a Cash difference of $924.00 Dollars !!!

Thanks for the information.

Sorry Buddy I could have possibly helped some but not to that extent.

I Do-Not know my Bill yet from Brenspeed so it would not be smart for me to even try to pay 1/2 of your difference.

Well man my heart was in the right place but my Billfold ain't able to back up the heart.

My good intentions just ain't gonna be of any help at all.
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Terry

Thanks Terry. The gesture is appreciated, honestly.

I don't think that Tiger was offering a handout. I think that was a very generous "Thank you for your service" offer. I was sort of impressed.

I didn't mean "handout" in a bad way, that's just my term for gestures like that.

Yes, you are correct as I also once upon a time in the Military.
And I did not make much money.



Terry

Hope you didn't take that the wrong way.
Thanks for your Service too.
 

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Thanks Terry. The gesture is appreciated, honestly.



I didn't mean "handout" in a bad way, that's just my term for gestures like that.



Hope you didn't take that the wrong way.
Thanks for your Service too.
Ryan,

I guess I am somewhat confused on this whole matter now.
That is a lot of difference between you guys.

I'm not taking anyone's side but I can see from my end it would be very difficult for Terry to eat $924.00.

And before anyone goes Crazy with what I just said ........

I'm simply saying Terry I don't think has some large performance business to be able to write-off that sort of LOSS.

I hate this for Terry & Ryan and was actually thinking I could just jump my Ole Ass in here and solve this for both parties involved.

Unfortunately I'm not of the Rich & Famous set so the dollars ($924.00) are way over me helping out.

Terry
 

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Somebody play the "Star Spangled Banner" and lets move on.

Ryan, I appreciate your reporting this. We never know if this is a routine thing disguised as a "just a mix up buddy" or an honest mistake until somebody starts bringing it out. At this point I don't think Terry is a bad seller, though were I you, I might feel differently. It's good to note a transaction that wasn't handled well. Hopefully it's just a one time thing.
 

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Terry, that price difference is his "normal" pricing. $600 is what he said it would cost.

Jaye, I don't know either, hence why I brought it up. I have my opinions and views but I'll keep them to myself, this isn't about that.

Either way, I've presented the facts. Maybe Terry will chime in, maybe he won't, or him and I will be in contact again, so I will let y'all know what follows.
 

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Mr. Mike Fitzgerald defrauded all of us with a $70,000 lie. Ryan wasn't talking about just purchases, he was simply reminding us of all the two-faces that have crossed our presence on this forum.

As for your comparing a hand out from Tigerhonker and Beef, those are two different motives. Tiger was simply making a graceful gesture to help Ryan out, if he was at a stalemate with funds. I found that to be a overly graceful thing to offer too, Terry. Ryan wasn't asking for a hand out from Beef, it was simply owning up to what he paid for... Now a hand out would be Ryan ordering the kit and then asking beef to throw in more shit for free (that was not agreed upon at point of sale).
 
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Terry has sold MANY kits to forum members.


This is what kills me about this situation... Terry has sold MANY kits to members of this forum... What is it to take a loss on one, assuming he has yet to do that with others who have purchased from him off of this forum alone, that he can't take a hit on this one from an HONEST mistake that he made. Fucks sake the guy has two race cars that we know of and sells who knows how many of these kits... I think it was a bad judgement call on his behalf to not honor his quote. Not only because he made the quote but let's take into fact that Ryan had paid, Ryan had received his purchase and now Ryan will have to waste his time to send the product back..


Overall it's a real bummer for Ryan and I don't think Terry is a bad person but just from the outside looking in it seems that he could cover the missing funds from the purchase..
 

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All I will say about this is when u are in business for ur self as I am the rresponsibility is urs when it comes to everything. If someone chose to skim over orders or not pay attention enough that is not the buyers fault. This is when a business says to themselves "shit, I fucked up, my fault, I have to take responsibility." I also think this is being turneda ccertain way cause it's Terry. Maybe he did make a mistake....maybe he was knifing his prices in the whole who can sell a Paxton kit the cheapest wars. Who knows....either way he fucked up and should have owned up to it so Ryan could have kept his kit for the agreed upon price. My 2 cents.
 

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When did I ever say Terry owned up to it?

In fact, he didn't clear admit he made a mistake. Just a lot of well, there could have been miscommunication on either end. No sir, there wasn't.

Also, does it not raise a flag when Terry isn't even willing to look at the PMs? He doesn't have them saved of course, he gets too many PMs a month to save them, but when I asked him for a email address to send them to so he could see our conversation, I got the "I can't afford to sell kits that low etc." run around.

There wasn't a "sorry I screwed up, I'm human" apology?
 

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I would have to disagree if its $600 from an honest mistake $600 is alot of money. The other guy is out nothing by shipping it back. Slap a label on it and ups will drop by and grab it. Fitzgerald never screwed anybody over on here that Im aware of. Everybody is cooler online. He didnt try to sell a 70k car to someone then ship them a ford pinto he just lied about what he had. He is not asking for him to own up to what he paid for terry made a mistake one that is costing him money by having the kit returned. It seems this day and age people cannot own up to anything. You see new stories where people wake up and find $100k in there bank account what do they do well they know its not theres but they go on a shopping spree and when there busted they cry like a baby its not my fault its the banks. My guess is the buyer thought man thats a hell of a price not thinking anything is out of balance. Well seller for whatever reason didnt cross a t or dot an i and made a mistake now we know why the price was what it was he offers to refund but thats not good enough buyer wants the seller to be out of pocket $600 to me thats not right. In the court of law you are supposed to be made whole that means your not out anything thats what the seller is doing for the buyer. I dont know either person thats just how I feel. Ive seen people post on forums where websites had errors showing a big ticket item for free or practically nothing what did people do no they didnt contact the vendor instead everyone jumps right on a band wagon and starts buying until the error is caught. Nobody is perfect we all make mistakes shit happens Its one thing to buy something and it never get shipped or its damaged or get the wrong part and the seller say ha ha to bad its another when the seller says Im sending you return lables unfortunately the price difference is to great to where I cant cover the mistake out of my pocket but here is all of your money back

I've read enough of your jibberish for the day, but I must ask you this...

How the fuck do you see that Ryan isn't out any money?
Yes, he is...or will be.
Ryan was given a price and since Terry decided he isn't going to honor it...Ryan has to go elsewhere and pay MORE for the same product.

A GOOD businessman doesn't go back after the fact and say "oops, I fucked up...you owe me this much more"
You fucking eat the loss and move on...make it up a little at a time along the way with new sales.

Let me pose this scenario to you, and this actually happened to me. I don't have dental insurance but had to see a dentist. It is customary for services to be paid in full at that visit unless the dentist files insurance. That wasn't the case for me, so I paid my bill in full...or I THOUGHT I did. About 3 weeks later I receive a bill...it's an "oops, I forgot to charge for this" by his billing dept. I called, spoke to the billing dept. but they didn't care. They demanded I pay. I sent the dentist a certified letter, directly to him, about this situation. Apparently he agreed, notified the billing dept. to stop billing me and this was laid to rest.

What would YOU have done?
Took it up the ass and paid it?

These are called ETHICS! You don't go back on your fucking word. Period!
 

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The last four pages are why it is best to see how something is handled first instead of airing out opinions or laundry in anticipation...
 
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No, just like I had said earlier "Well, there must be miscommunication, there is no way I could sell at that price." Basic variations of that.

That's not very encouraging. Owning your mistake goes a long way with most people.
 

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That's not very encouraging. Owning your mistake goes a long way with most people.


Actually, I'm sorry Bruce. I just looked at my PMs again. He did say "it is possible I made a mistake." once in the last PM when I asked for a email I could send him the screen shots of the PMs since he doesn't have the PMs, followed with the same excuses and I can't sell for that price statements. That's not owning up to it or an apology. It's also fishy that he doesn't even care to see what he said in the PMs.
 

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I will try to explain as best as I can to my memory. This is going 6 months back, and I had 4 layaway deals going at the time. It's impossible for me to remember what exactly went on with pm's, phone calls, etc.. on deals that far ago.

First, I get a lot of pm's from people wanting pricing on stuff. And many times I will get 3 or 4 pm's in a row from people about stuff. In general, on the kits, I simply send the link so that they can price out the kit. There really isn't a need for me to work it up separate and pm a price, as the price is already there when you add all of the items to the cart. That is the price, and I offer a $100 discount by paypal gift, saves the fee and I pass it on.

I work on about a 6% margin, on these packages, it's about a 2% margin.

That's why most of the guys in the business hate me, as they don't like my pricing. I try to take care of the guys, get them more parts for the same money. So they can enjoy their hobby more.

At the time I started the layaway, I had down a tuner kit, standard bap, injectors and plugs.

The kit price, that we are talking about now is around $5900, then would have been around 5600. If I priced that particular setup at that price then, it would have been a mistake.

In my layaway folder, since the beginning, I had down a satin kit, injectors, standard bap, and plugs.

I can't remember if there were phone calls involved, etc.. It's simply too long ago

I usually send a final pm with all the items separate from the other pm's confirming the final price on what your buying. I have't seen that. I won't have any pm's from 6 months ago, as my box simply can't hold them.

If I had priced the kit at that originally, which I may have done, I really can't remember. I would have caught it with a final pm once I did the invoicing.

With that said. I told Ryan today, I would make up the difference minus $300 on the kit price. I thought that was more than fair, if it was indeed a final mistake on my part. That's me eating about $600 or so, at cost, making 0, to try to take care of a customer, that I may have made a mistake on.

It's pretty obvious, if you go to the cart, have all the items added, and it's $5700 and change, and I tell you $4700, something is a miss.

Everyone knows, I bend over backwards as much as I can to take care of people. I'm not getting rich by any means. I spend every minute of my spare time on the phone with guys, helping them out, answering questions, answering pm's , answering fb messages.

I have never cut someone out of .01 of there money. And I never will. I offered a full refund right out of the gate if there was a mistake made.

I'm trying my best, and I'm sorry if in this case it wasn't good enough.
 

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