BBR Testing with Ford Racing Intake Manifold

[SUHleen]

they jury is still out imho....i for one would buy the intake and not switch throttle bodies....i mean is there any evidence of bigger throttle bodies being of any value? kind of like this intake itself. i'm still skeptical..

I don't think the larger intake would do much on an n/a setup, maybe a few more hp

 

[Royski]

Even if the first numbers were on the low side, if this car was on the dyno back to back , then gains are gains regardless of numbers.

Was the car hot when the first numbers were made? How long of a cool off before the 2nd numbers?

 

[Xporter]

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[3vs197]

im sorry i dont believe this at all. the FRPP is a shorter runner design and the power curves from the two are identical? and NO WAY the new intake is making more power @ 3000 rpms than the stocker. 267 baseline is weaksauce and everyone knows that. there most likely was no tune before before this intake or a very poor one at best. no one else is going to see numbers like these. what a joke.

 

[Royski]

Well once I get some extra $$ together i'm having my guy tune my car with the following mods:

Steeda CAI, GT500 TB, UDP's, FRPP manifold, High flow H, stinger mufflers, aluminum driveshaft, 3.73 gears.
The items in bold are going on at the same time.

As the car sits now it made 295hp/300trq on a MD.

I feel comfortable stating that my tuner is probably one of the most skilled SCT tuners in the country so see what he can do since I feel a lot of the gains are in the tune as what has been stated with the C&L manifold.

 

[TheKurgan]

This was an auto so it doesn't surprise me at all. I've seen them put down bone stock ~240-245 which makes sense if you take 18-20% DL loss from 300 bhp.

I'd say it's fair to take away 5% for an automatic, but not 20%. I had my stock Shelby GT with only UDP's put down 280rwhp SAE on the FRPP tune. Almost every single one of those cars that has been put on a dyno, put down roughly the same(275-280). After email tunes most people were seeing close to 300.

This car has a better CAI, delete plates/FRPP intake, throttle body, cat delete and DYNO tune. You can't open the engine up any better than that on a NA 4.6 car without getting into the heads. I know velocity has alot to do with it so I'll reserve my judgement on this intake until I see some FI/Nitrous numbers.

Also, most people forgot that several respected tuners came on here saying they were going to dyno the FRPP intake with various combinations. That was several weeks ago...I wonder why we haven't heard anything else out of them.

 

[3vs197]

becuase its just another C&L and it doesnt really do anything but they needed time to fuck with the tunes and fabricate thier numbers, just like i said months ago.

 

[foolio2k4]

Let us know what it makes royski

 

[s8v4o]

I'd say it's fair to take away 5% for an automatic, but not 20%.

I think you misunderstood what he said. He's saying 20% total drivetrain loss. Not 20% on top of a normal 15% for manuals. So 15% loss for manual, and 20% loss for auto. That seems pretty reasonable to me. So essentially you are kinda right, an extra 5% for auto's compared to manuals, just not ONLY a 5% loss

 

[ArizonaGT]

So what is BBR's price on the manfiolds?

 

[s8v4o]

Those "baseline" numbers don't seem to be that far off. Think about this

Stock = 300HP

CAI/Tune +25HP

Throttle body + zero HP (maybe some extra once the intake was installed)

Underdrive pulleys +7 to 10HP

Off road x pipe + 10HP

Axle backs + zero HP

So using my internet racing math here I come up with about 345 CRANK HP. Take away about 20% from drivetrain loss and RWHP should be around 276HP. That number is pretty close to what the car actually put down. Not playing the devils advocate here but the BEFORE numbers seem pretty legit. The AFTER numbers do seem high though. That's great if this is indeed the additional power gained from the intake.

 

[3vs197]

a nearly fully bolted auto should still make a good bit more than 267whp. just look at the power curve, a shorter runner intake will not follow the same curve as a stock intake. Matt D picked up like 7whp with this intake, and he has full bolt ons.

 

[TheKurgan]

Those "baseline" numbers don't seem to be that far off. Think about this

Stock = 300HP

CAI/Tune +25HP

Throttle body + zero HP (maybe some extra once the intake was installed)

Underdrive pulleys +7 to 10HP

Off road x pipe + 10HP

Axle backs + zero HP

So using my internet racing math here I come up with about 345 CRANK HP. Take away about 20% from drivetrain loss and RWHP should be around 276HP. That number is pretty close to what the car actually put down. Not playing the devils advocate here but the BEFORE numbers seem pretty legit. The AFTER numbers do seem high though. That's great if this is indeed the additional power gained from the intake.

K since we're bench racing, here's my analysis and it's based on DYNO tuning and RWP, not email tuning.

Stock rwhp - 255 (Yes, this is considering 20% drive train loss, but also adds back in the gain that can be had from dyno tuning a stock mustang)
CAI - 25
UDP - 5
Delete Plates - 5
Off road X - 10

== 300rwhp

 

[s8v4o]

K since we're bench racing, here's my analysis and it's based on DYNO tuning and RWP, not email tuning.

Stock rwhp - 255 (Yes, this is considering 20% drive train loss, but also adds back in the gain that can be had from dyno tuning a stock mustang)
CAI - 25
UDP - 5
Delete Plates - 5
Off road X - 10

== 300rwhp

I don't recall seeing delete plates in the list of the before mods. Also it seems we have close to the same HP numbers for mods, you just added yours to the RWHP and I've added mine to crank. Since your numbers are based on "dyno tunning" can I see some actual data on those numbers? Did you have your car dyno'd after each install of every mod? I'm not knocking your info, it's just I haven't seen any dyno data for each mod you listed. Most advertised HP increases are usually crank HP. You know, the whole advertising scheme most manufacturer do to show a higher HP number, ie crank HP.

 

[SirKnightTG]

 

[RetroGT2006]

Gotta ask, where is the baseline dyno run?? If it put down 267rwhp with those mods minus the FRPP intake manifold- there was something seriously wrong with the car. My automatic didn't cripple my car like everyone on the forums claimed.

I can't tell you how many times i heard "with those mods you will be lucky to see 280-290rwhp.. Well with my mods i got 308.68rwhp/317.66rwtq throught my auto.

Just intake, full exhaust, cmcv, udp.

 

[TheKurgan]

Since your numbers are based on "dyno tunning" can I see some actual data on those numbers? .

See above post. Delete plates have to be considered if we're comparing apples to apples. The FRPP manifold doesn't have CMP's.

 

[s8v4o]

Gotta ask, where is the baseline dyno run?? If it put down 267rwhp with those mods minus the FRPP intake manifold- there was something seriously wrong with the car. My automatic didn't cripple my car like everyone on the forums claimed.

I can't tell you how many times i heard "with those mods you will be lucky to see 280-290rwhp.. Well with my mods i got 308.68rwhp/317.66rwtq throught my auto.

Just intake, full exhaust, cmcv, udp.

Every car is different, as is every dyno/setting. Your car will probably dyno different numbers depending on where you go, temps outside, etc. Also you have a FULL exhaust while the car in question only had an ORX pipe and axle back, no headers. Aren't headers supposed to add close to 20HP or so?? Also the car in question didn't have delete plates either.

 

[TheKurgan]

Every car is different, as is every dyno/setting. Your car will probably dyno different numbers depending on where you go, temps outside, etc. Also you have a FULL exhaust while the car in question only had an ORX pipe and axle back, no headers. Aren't headers supposed to add close to 20HP or so?? Also the car in question didn't have delete plates either.

I had 5HP gain from my headers. They don't do much on a NA car.

 

[3vs197]

^ exactly! when u already have an off road mid, headers dont really do much on a NA car. i got nothing from them.