Better pedals for heal/toe

[claudermilk]

Can't/don't need to rotate too much in the stang with the stock pedals but yes is more a pinky-toe than a heel-toe and that is ok, You use your toe on the brake pedal and control pressure and pivot, is like a little art that just needs lots of practice, all my cars are manual (mustang, fiesta and ranger) and I do it daily so is absolutely natural for me, even on a Suzuki super carry 1000cc mini van I eventually use that has the pedals really distanced and there you need to practically twist your foot horizontally but is still so fun. The trick and focus is to keep your braking pressure correct and stable if you can't achieve that you are wasting more than gaining, once you get that, next thing is how much throttle you use on each situation and its timing with the clutch/shift, so it is practice, practice, practice.

This...

In a street car with a full interior, stock height seating, carpeting, and floor mats it's almost impossible for anyone with feet larger than a size 6 to execute a true heel/toe with the toes on the brake and rotating over to the gas pedal with the heel.

I will make a partial rotation of my foot to get a little more purchase on the gas pedal during the blip, but it's more of a hybrid of the sideways roll and the heel/toe movement.

...and this.

I pretty much do the same thing, and like lito, it's just natural. I do it almost every time without even thinking about it any more when I'm driving a manual.

The odd thing it I've found the Mustang's pedals to be reasonably-well-spaced for heel-toe--at least for me. I'm looking at the SRP covers myself. They look like quality pieces, look nice, and look to make spacing even better.

 

[Department Of Boost]

Talking about cheating, I have a friend shop owner I tune his Focus SVT for local road racing as he was quite new in this and when I finally got to see the car found a biycicle handle on the shifter, at that time I wonder what was it for but to not sound stupid, didn't ask, later, apart I asked him what the hell was that for? "for throttle blipping on downshifting, that heel and toeing is too complicated", lol.

That's actually pretty cool!!, LOL

 

[Dubstep Shep]

That's actually pretty cool!!, LOL

I would think you could wire something in as a button or lever that would throw a full throttle signal at the TB. You could wire it to send the signal for a specific amount of time so you could tune your down shifts.

Fuck it, might as well add it to my build list...

 

[jayh007]

Lito,
Those are the pedals I had in the pic above.
They worked real well but cost a fortune! I paid $150 for the set!! Wont do that again.
I live near Steeda, here in Florida, Going to pick up this pedal today.

http://www.steeda.com/steeda-mustang-heel-toe-gas-pedal-555-1163/

I'll report back. I have a track day this Saturday at Homestead

Those SRP's look real nice!! I had not seen them before... Little more than I want to spend at the moment.

I like to see how they mount

 

[RedfireV8]

How about these?

http://www.srpracing.com/cat_mustang.cfm

Great looking pedals. Being in my first manual and having size 14 shoes, I'm learning it's hard to rev match using heal-toe. It's funny you would think having a longer foot would be better but in this case I guess not...

I never had an issue balancing the brake, throttle, and clutch when I raced bikes around the track, but that was a lot easier in my book because you never had to use your foot for more than one thing. IMO it's easier to do two things with your hand than your foot.

Controlling the brake with my heel isn't all that hard, but with the right set of petals I could just roll my foot from side to side which would be much easier.



I have thought about something similar... The Nissan 370Z has automatic rev matching on it for downshifting and it's badass. How hard would something like that be to tune or wire in? It would just be the opposite of a 2-step, right?

I actually looked this up for shits and giggles awhile back and came across this...

http://auto-blip.com/index.php?route=common/home

Who wants to be the guinea pig?

 

[RedfireV8]

^^^Some of the Boss guys use these it looks like.

http://bossmustangsonline.com/index.php?topic=4435.0

 

[Dubstep Shep]

I actually looked this up for shits and giggles awhile back and came across this...

http://auto-blip.com/index.php?route=common/home

Who wants to be the guinea pig?

Interesting...

I like the idea of having something like that where you could tune it, but $400 seems a little steep for all that.

I may look into it later on though in my build though.

 

[frank s]

My early heel-toe experience was in funny little foreign cars that seemed to be designed to make that easy. It became even easier on the MGBs when I discovered Mr Paddy Hopkirk's appliance.

With that as an inspiration I manufactured a piece that reversed the toe-heel imposed by the American car setups. Looked a bit like this with spacers between the original gas feed and the plate.

The Mustangs' setup is not easy to manage, but with some dedicated practice it came right. That, too, was aided by a bolt-on from Shelby. The thicker piece, with its relatively sharp edge for gripping shoes, worked very good. The real challenge was to regulate "heel" behavior under full-on braking, which changes dramatically the relative altitudes of the pedal surfaces.

My new car has the automatic with Select Shift. I'm beginning to like one-foot control of each function, although I've not enough experience to be as precise with the blip timing as I was with the manual/clutch stuff. I expect to apply the FRPP ProCal tune once the car is pretty-well broken in and a baseline is established over more than today's history of just 2,000 miles. We'll see what kind of effects that produces.

 

[LS1EATINPONY]

Heck I wear a 15 and my shoe is wide enough that i can put half my foot on the brake and the other half on the gas and rock my foot on the throttle to get the same result as heel toe. I have yet to get in a car that I can heel toe with a normal pair of sneakers on. I might be able to get a pair of driving shoes and do it but I still doubt it.

 

[Dubstep Shep]

Heck I wear a 15 and my shoe is wide enough that i can put half my foot on the brake and the other half on the gas and rock my foot on the throttle to get the same result as heel toe. I have yet to get in a car that I can heel toe with a normal pair of sneakers on. I might be able to get a pair of driving shoes and do it but I still doubt it.

I wear a 13 and that's pretty much what I do. If the petals were closer it would be even easier to pull off.

 

[lito]

I like to see how they mount

I re read this today and found you were asking Mitch not me but I already took a pic of mine so here it is, lol.

 

[jayh007]

I re read this today and found you were asking Mitch not me but I already took a pic of mine so here it is, lol.

Thanks any way, never can have too many photos of pedals LOL. I will be contacting you soon. I need to finish installing the AEM wideband and i should be all set to start tuning.

 

[mitch]

So, again, I was not looking for anything fancy or expensive... Just functional.
I found this little gem at Steeda.. and since I live 20 min. away, I stopped in and picked up this pedal cover.
For $25 bucks, I think its the best bang for the buck, and works very well!!

 

[RedfireV8]

Nice!

 

[DocB]

Mitch,

How did you decide placement over the existing pedal?

Did you just line up the bottom and right side edge?

 

[mitch]

Yeah, pretty much just squared it up.
Drove the car a bunch today, works great.

 

[DocB]

Do you use the outside of your foot and just roll it over a little to catch the edge of the extended plate and/or does your heel ever even touch the go pedal now?

 

[mitch]

probably 50/50.

 

[ford20]

^^^Some of the Boss guys use these it looks like.

http://bossmustangsonline.com/index.php?topic=4435.0

All the Boss guys that I know that have it love it from what I hear from them when I asked about it. It seems like a really cool thing to have cheating or not.

Heck I wear a 15 and my shoe is wide enough that i can put half my foot on the brake and the other half on the gas and rock my foot on the throttle to get the same result as heel toe. I have yet to get in a car that I can heel toe with a normal pair of sneakers on. I might be able to get a pair of driving shoes and do it but I still doubt it.

I can do the same thing when braking normally on the street. On the track though when you are really applying the brakes I'm not certain as I would tend to let off a little pressure on the brake pedal whenever I roll my foot over to blip the throttle.