Boss 302 Intake has arrived. Fitment and dyno coming!!!!

[stang1971]

you have no input. lol

ACTUALLY let me edit this.. you HOPE your auto will hold upto 8000 rpm shifts.. you along w/ no one else really has no idea, and last time I checked they dont offer the BOSS w/ an auto... hmm wonder why?

hows ur mt82 shifting?

 

[RSKtakR]

hows ur mt82 shifting?

its shifting great.

 

[GeorgeInNePa]

you have no input. lol

ACTUALLY let me edit this.. you HOPE your auto will hold upto 8000 rpm shifts.. you along w/ no one else really has no idea, and last time I checked they dont offer the BOSS w/ an auto... hmm wonder why?

Rick from Livernois told me they have their Auto 5.0 (with forged rods and pistons) shifting perfectly at 7800.

 

[RSKtakR]

i havent found anything other then the 1 post about the manual NOT being the MT82.. so i hope its the same trans, but i remember reading before that the MT82 was at its torque "limits" (just like the 5.0 motor was right at its "limits" from the factory) LMAO

 

[RDK]

clutch

the clutch is made by Exedy..

 

[wbt]

The auto's will be fine at 8K as-long-as the owners are running a good converter.

Same goes for the manual folks. As-long-as the stock clutch is upgraded.

The missing piece here is the valvetrain. Owners need to be cognizant that they won't simply bolt on this manifold and immediately start shifting at 8K without the needed supporting mods.

For most owners this intake alone won't do anything. In fact, it will be a slower car with it.

 

[RSKtakR]

The auto's will be fine at 8K as-long-as the owners are running a good converter.

Same goes for the manual folks. As-long-as the stock clutch is upgraded.

The missing piece here is the valvetrain. Owners need to be cognizant that they won't simply bolt on this manifold and immediately start shifting at 8K without the needed supporting mods.

For most owners this intake alone won't do anything. In fact, it will be a slower car with it.

I plan on getting the CNC'd stage 3 heads before the intake goes on

 

[wbt]

I plan on getting the CNC'd stage 3 heads before the intake goes on

That is a good start. Also make sure you have the correct valve springs. Floating valves at 8K will = a pile of useless parts.

 

[RSKtakR]

That is a good start. Also make sure you have the correct valve springs. Floating valves at 8K will = a pile of useless parts.

those are a MUST.. not sold on larger valves tho really..

 

[Twinscrewgt]

my next question is how long can this trans and clutch (even the aftermarket clutch's) hold up to making the 8000rpm shifts since the Boss has the TR6060 in it w/ a twin disk clutch.. ? ? im probably guessing a FAIL for the MT82

my auto will

ya see thats what i thought to.. i just found that thread today and started to wonder if the MT82 will hold up to that kind of abuse..

My car is making 643/587, stock clutch, stock trans... Holding up great. And i'm revving to 7300.

I think it'll be fine at 450 hp

 

[wbt]

those are a MUST.. not sold on larger valves tho really..

Me either. With the 4V, total valve area is significant. Larger may cause a shrouding issue which will hurt performance. A nice port job is all that is needed.

 

[JJ@WMS]

The auto's will be fine at 8K as-long-as the owners are running a good converter.

Same goes for the manual folks. As-long-as the stock clutch is upgraded.

The missing piece here is the valvetrain. Owners need to be cognizant that they won't simply bolt on this manifold and immediately start shifting at 8K without the needed supporting mods.

For most owners this intake alone won't do anything. In fact, it will be a slower car with it.

Upgraded clutch= Needed for sure.

Upgraded valvetrain= Yet to be seen and just because the Boss has it doesnt mean stock 5.0's will eat themselves up if shifted above 7500 rpms. Will it help and be extra insurance? Yes of course.

Most owners are going to do simple mods like exhaust, tune and CAI and adding this Boss intake is not going to make them slower, if anything it will give them a bunch more power up top to tap into if they so desire.

I love how this intake has been out and on a car for less then two days and predictions are already being made and made as if they are carved in stone ... LOL History has already shown most negative predictions about this motor didnt come to fruition. Thats why I do my best to test parts as soon as they are available, just like the MMR CAI that nobody is running. I tested it and proved that it was junk and saved alot of people alot of money. My feeling about this Boss intake is that it is well worth the money and I cant wait to drive the car and feel that power

JJ

 

[Dr Wu]

Ford designed the 5.0 for high rpms and this manifold takes it one step further. I like where Ford's engineers heads are at. JJ thanks for the write-up!

 

[Kingcrabb]

Wow.
This would be a perfect mod for someone like my self.
Im at the track often. and even on the street most of my time is spent either 1-2k (dd) and then over 5k, i rarely do part throttle low rpm pulls. im either balls to the wall or driving like a granny.
Cant wait to see final tuning numbers.
What do u predict numbers will be on a non-LT car?

 

[copracer288]

Quite a lot of buzz over this part, no doubt.

I think some people just need to take a step back for a minute though.

This part is WAY too new to be passing any judgments on power. I applaud WMS for giving us a preliminary look at the potential but we really have to wait to see how it all shakes out after some extensive tuning.

Obviously this a part to improve mostly high RPM power. For the guys that like to race (me included) that is VERY good news. For the strictly daily driver guys, more power is better sure but how much time will your motor see those upper RPMs?

You also have to take into account that you can kiss your powertrain warranty goodbye with this mod. Yes, I know all about the Magnuson Moss Act but, realistically, I'm sure MOST dealers are going to scream voided warranty once they pop the hood. I know mine would.

So, like I said, some guys need to take a step back and really evaluate what they want out of their car. For me, I'm not going to be getting in on this for quite some time. The warranty is just too important to me. CAI, exhaust and tune is "dangerous" enough right now. For now, I'll watch from the sidelines while this motor and it's potential continue to impress. Bring on the numbers! My "list" continues to grow!

 

[wbt]

Upgraded clutch= Needed for sure.

Upgraded valvetrain= Yet to be seen and just because the Boss has it doesnt mean stock 5.0's will eat themselves up if shifted above 7500 rpms. Will it help and be extra insurance? Yes of course.

Most owners are going to do simple mods like exhaust, tune and CAI and adding this Boss intake is not going to make them slower, if anything it will give them a bunch more power up top to tap into if they so desire.

I love how this intake has been out and on a car for less then two days and predictions are already being made and made as if they are carved in stone ... LOL History has already shown most negative predictions about this motor didnt come to fruition. Thats why I do my best to test parts as soon as they are available, just like the MMR CAI that nobody is running. I tested it and proved that it was junk and saved alot of people alot of money. My feeling about this Boss intake is that it is well worth the money and I cant wait to drive the car and feel that power

JJ

Really man come on....

Hoping you are just reading into my recommendations and seeing it the wrong way.

1. An owner needs to have an upgraded valvetrain to support shifting at a higher RPM. I.E. 7600-8K. If you don't feel this way then that is fine. I would hate to see people blowing up their motors because they bolted this intake on and now think it is OK to shift at those RPM's without doing the supporting mods.

2. We agree on the drivetrain. Some goes here. Don't want a clutch/flywheel failure here at high RPM. Disastrous and catastrophic.

I think the intake is solid and produces gains but does so at a very high rpm. Encouraging people to bolt this on and go make 8K RPM blasts is not responsible. Not saying you did or have but I think there needs to be a disclaimer/explanation/recommendation for those who will be running it to ensure they have supporting mods to do it. Does that mean there are folks who are going to do it anyway? Yes however at least they know they are playing with matches when they do it.

Regarding being slower, I guarantee you take a car that doesn't have more gear and supporting mods to handle the extended RPM so it is "safe" to shift higher, will be slower than the same car with the stock intake. Your dyno graphs show what will happen. There is no speculation there.

Enough of the thread hijack. I simply wanted the community to be aware of the extended needs when using this intake.

 

[Kingcrabb]

I agree with the above post.
That clutch assem. wasnt designed to hit 8k and i DEF wont be going over 7600 when i get this intake. I like to keep my legs and car in one piece... As for the valve train i think u might be able to get away with 7600 plus but there will prolly be a bit of float and wouldnt be 100% safe. I will keep it limited to 7500 till i get cams (+supporting mods) and a twin disk.

 

[RSKtakR]

I agree with the above post.
That clutch assem. wasnt designed to hit 8k and i DEF wont be going over 7600 when i get this intake. I like to keep my legs and car in one piece... As for the valve train i think u might be able to get away with 7600 plus but there will prolly be a bit of float and wouldnt be 100% safe. I will keep it limited to 7500 till i get cams (+supporting mods) and a twin disk.

same here.. 7500 limit, shift @7300-7400, and im sure thats pushing it.

 

[JJ@WMS]

Enough of the thread hijack. I simply wanted the community to be aware of the extended needs when using this intake.

And exactly how do you know for sure that these "extended needs" will be absolutely needed?

I mean your coming off as if you have done the testing and know for a fact that parts will fail if the car is shifted above 7500rpms when in fact you really dont have any information other then speculation that this will happen.

You might be absolutely right and dead on with your speculation but until its proven that valvetrain upgrades are needed or not your opinion is just that, speculation.

We do agree on the clutch however I doubt your going to see any "catastrophic" or "dangerous" failures with the stock clutch, you will just see what we have already seen and thats cars that wont shift because the clutch cant handle it.

Yes a numerically low gear ratio car with an auto shouldnt get this intake and would be slower but as I said, most modded cars that use this intake will be faster. Ours has 3.73's back in it and feels a ton stronger in all rpm's and there is no noticeable torque loss even though it shows in the graph.

We are here to test this unit and I will do my best to break whatever I can in an attempt to show what the consequences of using this intake and shifting at a higher rpm might be, but until I or someone else starts breaking stuff its irresponsible to "warn the community" about something you really dont have any information on.

I appreciate your thoughts, input and opinions.

Thanks,

JJ

 

[Full_Tilt]

What makes anybody so sure that the valvetrain HAS to be upgraded? It is not unheard of for OEM valvetrains being able to take significantly higher RPM than the stock rev limiter will allow, especially on modern cars.

Im not saying out valvetrain will take 8k, but we dont know that it wont until its been tried.

Also, I am very confused by this talk of needing a better clutch for shifting at higher RPM. That makes no sense. If its able to take the torque, then thats it, what does RPM have to do with anything?