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[slagburn]

When my new car gets here I'll likely be having dowels added for piece of mind. Only looking for a little over 700 uncorrected though.

 

[DSargent09]

BES Racing Engines does all of my Engine Work. However, if I was close to Mike, I would not hesitate to use him, he does great work.

I did have problems after The Super Bowl race in Joliet.

I was at my local test n tune, and started getting a little antifreeze out of the cap.

We figured that the car had just finally stretched the factory head bolts, as we were still running on them.

Upon cleaning up the cylinders, we found a small hairline crack the the top center (right where they have put the new material in the block).

Nothing was hurt in the engine, other than that. We grabbed one of the few 11/12 blocks that were left, and moved everything over, we did freshen up the bearings while we were at it. Everything else looked great.

Was this on stock internals?

Just curious on how far you can honestly safely push these stock motors. I am on many other forums and read a bunch of junk, but I feel there is a lot of knowledge on this one.

It is possible to get 600rwhp safely?

 

[beefcake]

Was this on stock internals?

Just curious on how far you can honestly safely push these stock motors. I am on many other forums and read a bunch of junk, but I feel there is a lot of knowledge on this one.

It is possible to get 600rwhp safely?

should be no problem,

with a good tune / fuel 700 or so rwhp shouldn't be a problem

 

[Napoleon85]

should be no problem,

with a good tune / fuel 700 or so rwhp shouldn't be a problem

The former being the key. For each tuner out there I can find a bunch of people saying they are "good" and a bunch of people saying they aren't and rumors of blown engines. It's almost impossible to determine who is "good" since there is no reporting or accountability in this industry. I think every company but one (and their results are so-so compared to the more aggressive tuners) gives you the tune "as is" and provides no claims or guarantee for safety or reliability.

 

[beefcake]

The former being the key. For each tuner out there I can find a bunch of people saying they are "good" and a bunch of people saying they aren't and rumors of blown engines. It's almost impossible to determine who is "good" since there is no reporting or accountability in this industry. I think every company but one (and their results are so-so compared to the more aggressive tuners) gives you the tune "as is" and provides no claims or guarantee for safety or reliability.

Lund clearly states that tune is "at your own risk".

I am a Lund fan and user, long before I was selling his tunes.

The fact is, there is no one in the country that is utilized by more shops, and even other tuners, than Lund Racing.

You'll find multiple shops in just about every state, that prefer to use Jon, over doing their own tuning.

I trust no tuner more than I trust Jon / Ken.

 

[Napoleon85]

I'm not saying anything good/bad about anyone's abilities as a tuner. My only point is that its extremely difficult to find truly objective info on the reliability of ANY tuner since most of what you find is rumors/heresay.

A good example would be Sean from AED. There is a large group of people who swear by him, and an equally large group of people who seemingly devote their lives to his defamation. It's incredibly difficult to sort out the truth over the Internet when you have a bunch of people giving conflicting information about a topic on which no real data exists.

This is all why I lean towards the route of getting a custom dyno tune rather than a mail order tune. If the worst does happen, it's a lot easier to go back to the shop who physically did the work with the car in their house compared to just getting an email tune and hoping that its safe, with no guarantee that it is.

Just my 2c though, take it as you will and as always make sure you do your own research.

 

[beefcake]

I'm not saying anything good/bad about anyone's abilities as a tuner. My only point is that its extremely difficult to find truly objective info on the reliability of ANY tuner since most of what you find is rumors/heresay.

A good example would be Sean from AED. There is a large group of people who swear by him, and an equally large group of people who seemingly devote their lives to his defamation. It's incredibly difficult to sort out the truth over the Internet when you have a bunch of people giving conflicting information about a topic on which no real data exists.

This is all why I lean towards the route of getting a custom dyno tune rather than a mail order tune. If the worst does happen, it's a lot easier to go back to the shop who physically did the work with the car in their house compared to just getting an email tune and hoping that its safe, with no guarantee that it is.

Just my 2c though, take it as you will and as always make sure you do your own research.

First thing you do on a dyno, is sign away any liability to the shop. It really isn't any different.

 

[Wicked97]

I'm not saying anything good/bad about anyone's abilities as a tuner. My only point is that its extremely difficult to find truly objective info on the reliability of ANY tuner since most of what you find is rumors/heresay.

A good example would be Sean from AED. There is a large group of people who swear by him, and an equally large group of people who seemingly devote their lives to his defamation. It's incredibly difficult to sort out the truth over the Internet when you have a bunch of people giving conflicting information about a topic on which no real data exists.

This is all why I lean towards the route of getting a custom dyno tune rather than a mail order tune. If the worst does happen, it's a lot easier to go back to the shop who physically did the work with the car in their house compared to just getting an email tune and hoping that its safe, with no guarantee that it is.

Just my 2c though, take it as you will and as always make sure you do your own research.

I agree with 100% a dyno tune from the right person is a much better solution then any email tune!! When you have the car in your hands you can do a much better job tuning it IMO.

 

[beefcake]

I agree with 100% a dyno tune from the right person is a much better solution then any email tune!! When you have the car in your hands you can do a much better job tuning it IMO.

As far as the "tuning" i would have to disagree. A remote tune is just as effective, as your looking at the same logs.

The difference would be if there were install issues or problems with the car. It's hard to troubleshoot an actual problem if your not there. I know ken fought a car for 10 hours of tuning, and it turned out the injector spacers were mounted backwards on the car. No way to know that without seeing it.

 

[CPRsm]

You can't pull and check plugs w a remote tune though. These new cars may have knocks sensors but data logs won't show if the plugs are the right heat range or cylinder heat. Does anyone check plugs anymore? Lol

 

[lostsoul]

A good example would be Sean from AED. There is a large group of people who swear by him, and an equally large group of people who seemingly devote their lives to his defamation. It's incredibly difficult to sort out the truth over the Internet when you have a bunch of people giving conflicting information about a topic on which no real data exists.

why cant both be the truth? I an proud to be one of those that defamed AED. All that I have stated WAS the truth. The N/A 2012 that blew within a day after his tune was sitting dead at another local shop. I and others have had dealt with them personally. Just like MMR and SD they have a bad rap, but have done good with others.. its your money and if you cant wait for the best like some people then take a bigger gamble













....heheheh

 

[wbt]

I'm not saying anything good/bad about anyone's abilities as a tuner. My only point is that its extremely difficult to find truly objective info on the reliability of ANY tuner since most of what you find is rumors/heresay.

A good example would be Sean from AED. There is a large group of people who swear by him, and an equally large group of people who seemingly devote their lives to his defamation. It's incredibly difficult to sort out the truth over the Internet when you have a bunch of people giving conflicting information about a topic on which no real data exists.

This is all why I lean towards the route of getting a custom dyno tune rather than a mail order tune. If the worst does happen, it's a lot easier to go back to the shop who physically did the work with the car in their house compared to just getting an email tune and hoping that its safe, with no guarantee that it is.

Just my 2c though, take it as you will and as always make sure you do your own research.

why cant both be the truth? I an proud to be one of those that defamed AED. All that I have stated WAS the truth. The N/A 2012 that blew within a day after his tune was sitting dead at another local shop. I and others have had dealt with them personally. Just like MMR and SD they have a bad rap, but have done good with others.. its your money and if you cant wait for the best like some people then take a bigger gamble

Let's look at the definition of defamation:
A false accusation of an offense or a malicious misrepresentation of someone's words or actions.

If you post facts refuting someone that is not defamation. If said person posts a "fact" and then refutes it in another post and is "caught" doing so that is not defamation.

Regarding choosing a tuner....

You have to look at a tuner's credentials. "How many cars have they tuned that hold records?", for example. Look at the data and separate the heresy and emotion. That is where the truth exists.

Finally, there is much more going on behind the scenes that isn't for public consumption. My best advice is to look for trends and make a decision from there.

You can't pull and check plugs w a remote tune though. These new cars may have knocks sensors but data logs won't show if the plugs are the right heat range or cylinder heat. Does anyone check plugs anymore? Lol

Only when they get a misfire code.

 

[CPRsm]

You mean "awe shit, pull a plug." LOL

 

[stkjock]

So I read that there a few blocks in builders shops as of this weeks end.

 

[beefcake]

So I read that there a few blocks in builders shops as of this weeks end.

 

[stkjock]

Guess one is yours......

 

[recordbreaker5]

is this new block supposed to be "street capable" even though is was developed for a high HP application?

 

[stkjock]

Its being sold as a race block.

 

[recordbreaker5]

Its being sold as a race block.

i understand that but what is holding it back from allowing someone to use it on their street car.

 

[stkjock]

I would guess the cooling is not the same. Only time and use will tell.