Dual rod/del-sphere/roto-joint vs dual?

[skulls]

I prefer an XM Series Rod-End from any of the quality manufacturers, or a quality housed spherical bearing. We use FK Bearing on some of our components, for housed sphericals....and they are probably my favorite. If the bearing is within spec, and not overly contaminated, it doesn't really make much increase in NVH (assuming it is indexed properly)

From our experiences in testing, the "in between" offerings don't really have much of an advantage over rod-ends / spherical bearings.



I definitely agree, when speaking of the 05-10 UCA at 8.5". The newer 11+ at 9.5" makes for a drastic difference, and a much more stable rear axle assembly. It is amazing what 1" does.

In drop in nvh is good in my book and I also don't want rod ends since I daily my car where it rains 9 months out of the year...the roto & del-sphere can be opened and cleaned and should offer much longer use over rod ends

 

[kcbrown]

Griggs and Cortex use it and they sell it because they race and through racing they determined that it works.

But there are many other racing teams that don't use torque arms (indeed, I expect most don't) and what they do use apparently works at least as well. So you can't use the fact that Griggs and Cortex race their cars (and perhaps even do well at it) as a real indicator of whether or not the torque arm brings any substantial net advantage over the other alternatives. For that, you'd need to look at what the winning teams tend to be running. Most of them are not, to my knowledge, running torque arms. The Roush racing team that won the Continental Tire Challenge at Daytona is, I believe, an example here.


What matters, I think, is which setup gives you the feel you want out of the car. If the UCA setup works for you, stick with it. If a torque arm makes the car behave the way you want, then it's the way for you to go.

Subjective feel is a very different thing from objective performance. The torque arm obviously makes the car feel and behave a certain way, but (at least for stiffly-sprung race cars, which is where I expect performance differences would really matter) doesn't seem to confer any substantial objective advantages otherwise. All that tells me is that whether or not it proves to be an advantage depends on what the driver is more comfortable with. That's different from something like stickier tires, which improves the limits on performance as a matter of physics.

 

[sheizasosay]

First you say that I am on your ignore list and then you respond to my post. I consider consecutive podium finishes to qualify as dominating. I do believe they are the top mustang in the series. I also know that the torque arm was extensively tested on this car and proven to improve lap times. Now K&N does not sell a torque arm so I guess they drank the Kool Aid too. And what is with your offensive signature. Did it ever occur to you that there might be black people on this forum who would be rightfully offended? Forget black people though. Everyone should be offended. And the faulty thought process that allows you to think that racial slurs are cute also is on display when you write about these vehicles. So I am proud to be on your ignore list.

Um, you aren't on my ignore list. You are on Dontlifttoshift's. If I have a black person tell me that it is offensive, then I will take it down. Without a complaint. I have no intent to offend black people. And I also don't believe the quote in my signature is offensive to black people or I wouldn't have put it up.

EDIT- here is the origins of my signature if anyone cares to see where I got it. Freakin' hilarious http://www.s197forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=111045&highlight=mountain+driving

 

[sheizasosay]

Also the K&N Mustang has won several poles and has finished no lower than 4th. So as usual I stand by my statement. That is both my truth and objectively it is the truth. And the Torque Arm is the truth.

Jesus is the truth Barbaro. The torque arm is not Jesus.

 

[sheizasosay]

Also the K&N Mustang has won several poles and has finished no lower than 4th. So as usual I stand by my statement. That is both my truth and objectively it is the truth. And the Torque Arm is the truth.

Ryan Walton races AIX not AI. He is doing well right now. I first googled and got that info about finishing 4th and 3rd from K&N's site. Ryan Walton is in first place right now. He has one race left and it will be a battle between him and Corey Weber....as it has been the entire season. About 6 people competed in the first race. Then 3 or 4 competitors the rest of the season. It's between those two. SO....Barbaro, the K&N car is doing well. I stand corrected.

And I still don't buy into the TA = bombdizzle.

 

[BMR Tech]

Gotta love how a thread about bushing/bearing ends turns into a thread about T/A vs 3-Link. Just saying.

That said, PHR > WATTS!!!!!

lol....

 

[sheizasosay]

Gotta love how a thread about bushing/bearing ends turns into a thread about T/A vs 3-Link. Just saying.

That said, PHR > WATTS!!!!!

lol....

Well you will certainly make SoundGuyDave happy with that second sentence.

I am fighting Barbaro's divining elevation of the torque arm. Get that crap out of here. I don't have a problem with the torque arm being a good thing or even a possible improvement over the UCA. I can see a benefit in the IC migration. It is just elevated to the cure-all of the S197. Makes we want to invite Barbaro over to drive my car on the track. Except last time I let a friend with a new 5.0 drive my car, that person put it in a ditch. You must respect the curve with a bump in a live-axle car. Especially with a blower.

Maybe if my car had a torque arm he wouldn't have put it in the ditch. I tend to believe that he was just not used to driving a car that had ZERO traction control/assist coming through an obese torque curve.

 

[Wes06]

Gotta love how a thread about bushing/bearing ends turns into a thread about T/A vs 3-Link. Just saying.

That said, PHR > WATTS!!!!!

lol....

speaking of that, hows that watts link coming? hah

 

[skulls]

Gotta love how a thread about bushing/bearing ends turns into a thread about T/A vs 3-Link. Just saying.

That said, PHR > WATTS!!!!!

lol....

Such is life...

I really wanted to wait to see what you guys came out with...but im just 2 damn impatient and had to go another route.

 

[BMR Tech]

We are now working on our chassis mounted Watts, so we will be releasing them (Diff mount and Chassis Mount) around the same time. I can't wait.

 

[Wes06]

We are now working on our chassis mounted Watts, so we will be releasing them (Diff mount and Chassis Mount) around the same time. I can't wait.

wheres our update porn.....errr...pics

 

[DevGittinJr]

Um, you aren't on my ignore list. You are on Dontlifttoshift's. If I have a black person tell me that it is offensive, then I will take it down. Without a complaint. I have no intent to offend black people. And I also don't believe the quote in my signature is offensive to black people or I wouldn't have put it up.

EDIT- here is the origins of my signature if anyone cares to see where I got it. Freakin' hilarious http://www.s197forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=111045&highlight=mountain+driving

I'm Black. The quote is funny. Every time I see it I laugh a little. It's even funnier in context. I think it's right up there with "I only drive flat out."

Acknowledging the humor in different cultures doesn't make one a racist. Thinking one's somehow superior because of one's race (or others are less than because of theirs) does make one a racist.

 

[Wes06]

black people cant be racist....only white people can be racist. didnt anyone ever tell you that?

 

[DevGittinJr]

black people cant be racist....only white people can be racist. didnt anyone ever tell you that?

I was always told I could be whatever I wanted, but I'd just have to work twice as hard as white people.

 

[skulls]

This sure went a bit off topic...lol.