New engine build

[dysan]

Good luck! What are the 3vPA heads?

I think they are the same that I have....the Ford racing stage 2 heads.

 

[BruceH]

Good luck! What are the 3vPA heads?

Pretty sure they are the "Stage 3" Livernois heads. I had forgotten that lito had the Livernois versions with leaky guides. IIRC he even sent them back and got another set with bad guides. Sending them back from South America must of been costly and a major pain.

 

[W3bb3r04]

Ill be curious to see how much it makes for sure. My set up will be similar except 281 and minus the ported heads. Im hoping his makes 400. That would mean good things for mine lol

 

[lito]

OK, just got home, will post results and dyno soon, this is the final engine bay pic. This airaid piece is top quality.

 

[W3bb3r04]

OK, just got home, will post results and dyno soon, this is the final engine bay pic. This airaid piece is top quality.

That looks sexy!

 

[JoshK]

That engine bay is CLEAN. And I take it that means it survived

 

[lito]

Ok, engine tune and dyno is done.

Happy with the results.

We just made a new bracket for the steering reservoir and moved it rear and down ward, depending on how our tests of the electric rack goes, it will all be gone.

Car is running 91 as that is all we have, tune is conservative at around .84 lambda and mid 20s timing.

We ran it with the stock CAI/TB at first and then switched, we were almost pegging the MAF sensor so I thought that changing the combo would bring gains, we were running 350s with the stock thing so I was a little disappointed. But never thought about changes this big, making 30rwhp out of a CAI and a TB was just incredible.

Attached is the dyno with the last of the stock stuff and the bigger TB/CAI it made 386/348.

My guess is that a looser engine and the electric steering will put it in the 400s.

The heads used are the stage 2 from FRPP with stock valves. I spend more in the heads than in the short block.

I have a set of livernois stage 3 around but have not fixed them yet, plan was to use them on a bigger project I had in mind, now, I dont think I'll do that.

These heads and the stock rods I think would help to made more peak power, that and the 600 would make low 400s but I dont want the driveability of bigger than 500s cams now the cars is really nice to drive as is.

 

[BruceH]

That's fantastic. Excellent results with the old technology 3v head, lol. Especially considering the safe spark advance. FWIW I see knock at anything over 26 degrees with my setup and 92 octane.

You have put together the ultimate budget build. Congratulations!

 

[W3bb3r04]

Awesome! I bet it definitely pulls good at that power level!

 

[RED09GT]

Pretty decent, what do you figure is causing the dip in torque from 4100-4500 RPM?

 

[05stroker]

Ok, engine tune and dyno is done.

Happy with the results.

We just made a new bracket for the steering reservoir and moved it rear and down ward, depending on how our tests of the electric rack goes, it will all be gone.

Car is running 91 as that is all we have, tune is conservative at around .84 lambda and mid 20s timing.

We ran it with the stock CAI/TB at first and then switched, we were almost pegging the MAF sensor so I thought that changing the combo would bring gains, we were running 350s with the stock thing so I was a little disappointed. But never thought about changes this big, making 30rwhp out of a CAI and a TB was just incredible.

Attached is the dyno with the last of the stock stuff and the bigger TB/CAI it made 386/348.

My guess is that a looser engine and the electric steering will put it in the 400s.

The heads used are the stage 2 from FRPP with stock valves. I spend more in the heads than in the short block.

I have a set of livernois stage 3 around but have not fixed them yet, plan was to use them on a bigger project I had in mind, now, I dont think I'll do that.

These heads and the stock rods I think would help to made more peak power, that and the 600 would make low 400s but I dont want the driveability of bigger than 500s cams now the cars is really nice to drive as is.

I know nothing about N/A cars, so why is the timing in the same range I run on my S/C car?

 

[JoshK]

Yeah, didn't think of it that way.

 

[Department Of Boost]

I know nothing about N/A cars, so why is the timing in the same range I run on my S/C car?

e85 vs 92?

My pump/blown tune only has 17deg of timing.

 

[lito]

That's fantastic. Excellent results with the old technology 3v head, lol. Especially considering the safe spark advance. FWIW I see knock at anything over 26 degrees with my setup and 92 octane.

You have put together the ultimate budget build. Congratulations!

Now lets see how much it last, plan is to take it to the track next month and when I mean the track, I dont mean 1/4, I mean some lapping at the road course. Thanks for planting bad ideas in my head, lol.

Awesome! I bet it definitely pulls good at that power level!

I am really impressed, my current tires ('13 GT500s fronts) are not really good but I made my first 1-2 powershift since I sold my 3650 (my TR6060 sucked badly) and they spun all the way in 2nd.

Pretty decent, what do you figure is causing the dip in torque from 4100-4500 RPM?

I have a dip in my timing curve starting there of about 2-3 degrees as that window is where peak load/torque is, this dyno is very very sensitive to these things.

I know nothing about N/A cars, so why is the timing in the same range I run on my S/C car?

Higher CR on bad pump gas, I may do some testing with some torco or else soon to try to determine if the knocking is real.

Other things I like in this new build:

- Having installed a separate clutch reservoir (Suzuki GSX) with the '13 GT500 master and JPC steel lines.

- The new cooling fan (GT500) is simply awesome, without A/C it cycles between low fan and none and highest temp I've seen is 194 (low comes at 192 and hi at 198), hi has never been used yet, this with fluidyne radiator and 80-90 ambients.

- Going the '10 intake route, intake really looks great (specially because ugly steering reservoir is not seen), is different and being more straigthline from filter to TB looks to be working great.

Future plans for the car, decide 4.10 or 4.30, think will keep 4.10 or 3-4-5 shifts will render useless being too short but have not made my mind yet.

Test electric steering rack and if it works with our PCMs, install a Boss unit and remove the hydraulic stuff, reroute the belt.

Exterior mods like tiger racing hood, Saleen Heritage front bumper with brake ducts, CS rear, a set of koni yellows, two piece discs for the brembos, etc.

And... decide what to do with the '13 5.8 block I already bought.

 

[Mustangfan]

Interested to hear about electric steering rack. I have a 2010 and would love to make that
Upgrade!

 

[W3bb3r04]

How much of the 30 hp gain do you attribute to the TB and how much to the CAI?

 

[Department Of Boost]

Interested to hear about electric steering rack. I have a 2010 and would love to make that
Upgrade!

Me too, I want to run a belt drive vacuum pump and need the space.

 

[lito]

Interested to hear about electric steering rack. I have a 2010 and would love to make that
Upgrade!

Plan is doing before the end of the year as the coyote swapped car we did is coming back for more mods and set my car by its side and re pin the EPAS still in that car to my PCM and see how it behaves with speed.

How much of the 30 hp gain do you attribute to the TB and how much to the CAI?

Can't tell but by what I've seen before I would say 30/70 or even less, data shows it was struggling for air.

 

[lito]

Me too, I want to run a belt drive vacuum pump and need the space.

I'm interested!

 

[W3bb3r04]

Do you think with the stock heads on my car it will have the same issues? I do have a JLT CAI Gen 3 going on