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this year in my racing series, all classes are going off a .400 Pro Tree. this will pretty much be my first time using the pro tree so looking for any advice, hints, tips anything.

im racing in the 13.50 class, so its most likely going to be all street cars im going to be racing against.

ive been practicing on my practice tree and its a work in progress. i know seat time will have the best gain, but any tips would be great!
 

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I certainly don't have any experience on a pro tree either, but the handful of times I've tried it, I forced myself to go in deep (to help the RT). I also preferred to be the first in, but that wasn't always possible either.

I'm sure SD will have much more useful info than this.
 

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The pro tree is awesome. I actually prefer it and cut better RT's than I do with a sportsman tree.

Rule of thumb for me is to keep your eyes glued and as soon as you see a hint of amber on the first bulb...go:thumb:
 

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this year in my racing series, all classes are going off a .400 Pro Tree. this will pretty much be my first time using the pro tree so looking for any advice, hints, tips anything.

im racing in the 13.50 class, so its most likely going to be all street cars im going to be racing against.

ive been practicing on my practice tree and its a work in progress. i know seat time will have the best gain, but any tips would be great!
First things first: is deep staging allowed?
 

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The pro tree is awesome. I actually prefer it and cut better RT's than I do with a sportsman tree.

Rule of thumb for me is to keep your eyes glued and as soon as you see a hint of amber on the first bulb...go:thumb:
That's because you suck on a sportsman tree. LOL :moon2:



First things first: is deep staging allowed?
Good point. When I said "deep", I didn't mean putting the top bulb out. Normally, I stage as shallow as I can, so when I go "deep", it's usually only 2 or 3 inches more.
 

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Good point. When I said "deep", I didn't mean putting the top bulb out. Normally, I stage as shallow as I can, so when I go "deep", it's usually only 2 or 3 inches more.
With those tall-assed tires you run on the front I can imagine. :beer:

yes deep staging is allowed.
Good. When I had the car stock (N/A) I would idle the car into the first beam (top bulb). Make sure you just do light the bulb. Don't lurch into the first beam. With the top bulb on I would push the brake pedal down firmly and bring the car up on the converter to the launch rpm. Once the engine is at the proper RPM I would ease my left foot up off the brake just enough to let the car creep forward. If you do it right you can actually hear the brakes "groan" a little. This will let the car creep very slowly into the second beam (bottom bulb) and continue on until the top bulb just does go off.

This will take quite a bit of practice. I would practice in the garage. I had a workbench on the drivers side of the car with a yardstick nailed to the face of the bench so I can see it from the driver's seat. This way, I could see how far the car would creep while listening to the brakes groan. You can get a good idea of how far the car moves in relation to the sound of the brakes.

Now this was with a five tenths pro tree. With a four tenths pro tree you might need to creep the car in deeper. Once the top bulb goes off you have roughly four-six more inches before you redlight. Once the top bulb goes off you might need to creep another inch or two. This will depend on your front tire height also. However, you need to be ready for the tree to flash once your top bulb goes out. With the car loaded against the converter you need to treat the brake pedal like a clutch pedal. Also....while you're rolling in deep you need to keep a "dead eye" on the top bulb until it goes out. Once you turn it out DO NOT LOOK DOWN at the other bulbs. In the time it takes for you to break focus on the staging bulbs and attempt to refocus on the three amber bulbs the tree will flash and you will flinch. Then....you're late.

The biggest advantage you can have over your competition is practice. Seat time is invaluable in pro tree racing. Get a log book and take notes on every pass. Even if you don't have a weather station you can use a simple thermometer/barometer combination gauge package from a hardware store or home improvement store. Keep notes on tire pressure (front and rear), launch rpm, if you were "quick-treed" by the starter or if he let you get set, how far you rolled in, etc, etc. I would put 40 psi into the front tires to kill the rollout which will quicken the r/t for that four tenths pro tree. Take notes and make laps. Lots of laps.

Last thing I'm going to give up on this subject. Don't think. When you strap yourself in quit thinking. Just do your routine. Period. Clear your mind. No extraneous thoughts, no shit-talking to yourself, no hyping yourself in the car, no emotions.........nothing. Just your routine. Don't think. Act and react. You need to be one with the car. Think of it as a cyborg-type relationship.......a blending of man and machine. Machines don't think.

I can't tell you how many times I've tried to help someone with their driving. The one key thing goes like this...........

Me: "When you were staging the car what were you thinking?"
Driver: "Well....I was thinking.........."
Me: "Stop. There's your problem."

Don't think.
 
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I am like Don, I always like to be staged first, that way when the other guy bumps in, mat that bitch and hang on...lol....

Also like ChevyKiller said....first HINT of amber.....GOOOOO....
 

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With those tall-assed tires you run on the front I can imagine. :beer:
I used to run 26s... but I like the 28s better.


I am like Don, I always like to be staged first, that way when the other guy bumps in, mat that bitch and hang
Actually, I much prefer to go in second. But that is on a sportsman tree, which is 99.9% of the time for me.
 

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I agree with you there Don..on a sportsman tree I would rather be in second...oru local 1/8th mile runs Sportsman, but sometimes they let us request Pro...just to have fun...
 

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i will. its still a few months away from Race 1 (april 28) hopefully i can make it to the track for some practice before race day. damn this chicago weather!
 

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Last thing I'm going to give up on this subject. Don't think. When you strap yourself in quit thinking. Just do your routine. Period. Clear your mind. No extraneous thoughts, no shit-talking to yourself, no hyping yourself in the car, no emotions.........nothing. Just your routine. Don't think. Act and react. You need to be one with the car. Think of it as a cyborg-type relationship.......a blending of man and machine. Machines don't think.

This is exactly why I like pro trees and (as don loved to point out...:321:) I suck at sportsman trees. When I'm on a pro tree, I don't have enough time to think. I'm just going through the motions of setting up and by the time I'm set - it's about go time and I'm just reacting from any hint of amber on any of the bulbs. I said 'first bulb' but I meant ANY bulb. Because of the time of day, position, etc, etc (a million things) sometimes you can have a skewed view of the 'top' or first bulb - so on a pro tree, I'm looking at the stage bulbs as SD said directly but indirectly I am watching the whole tree and looking for any hint of amber and when I see anything - I let go of the button and go.

The sportsman tree just give me too much time to think and that time allows me to 'think' and attempt to 'strategize' my launch before it happens and, Like SD said, this always ends poorly. It's weird cause you'd think it would be better (thinking and planning it), but it's not because of the fractions of time we are talking about.
 
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still more then 2 months till race season... hopefully i can get some seat time in during early weeks of april.
 

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Like SD said, this always ends poorly. It's weird cause you'd think it would be better (thinking and planning it), but it's not because of the fractions of time we are talking about.
Thinking and planning are one of the human brain's higher functions. Acting and reacting are a base instinct of the subconscious mind that overlaps into conscious thought. Individuals that are capable of "getting in touch" with their more base instincts can perform these tasks in a better fashion. Such individuals are considered to be more "predatorial" than others. It is the ability to "turn off" the rational thought process and let the "predator" come out of the subconscious mind. While this may sound somewhat Hollywood-ish it is a very real process and takes some training to accomplish.

I studied several research papers on the subject years ago. I've always been a decent driver (family genetics, I guess....Dad was great with a race car) but there were times when I just let my brain work too much. One case that piqued my attention was elite combat troops....ie: Navy Seals, Force Recon, CIA black ops, etc. These men were chosen due to their ability to let a predatorial instinct work for them in combat situations. A primary factor of "kill and move" was found to be their primary thought process when under situations of severe duress. They do not "think" about consequences, actions, victims, legalities, fairness, good/evil.....none of that comes to their minds. Only the task at hand. Period. The primary motivating factor was survival...or "winning".

Another example was elite pilots and race car drivers (F1/Indy Car). These individuals exhibited the perfect scenario of "act/react". In their typical environments there is absolutely ZERO time to think. If you "think"....you're dead. The common trait among these individuals was the ability to turn off all rational thought processes and act on instinct alone. They also exhibited damn near "Neanderthal" type behavior characteristics right before, during, and shortly after. This was attributed to the subconscious "leaking through" into their interpersonal behavior.

Modern day drag racers will sometimes venture away from their team or fans before each round in order to "focus." This time frame is used to clear the mind and center themselves to the task at hand. I've done this for several years now and I can say that it has paid off rather well. Although people around me (including my own sons) will tell you that I'm a real bastard on race day my focus during each elimination round has been pretty damn good. Some of my less-than-sparkling personality traits are usually seen in the staging lanes prior to each round. I really didn't believe I was that bad until I saw a tape of myself in the lanes at Bristol last year. Yeah....so I'm an asshole before the round. Big deal. I look at the situation as this: my opponent is standing in the way of something that I personally feel is mine.....another round win. How fuckin' dare you try to take that from me. Oh yeah....that whole "lane choice" bullshit won't work either. For me it is just a mind trick. I don't give two shits what lane you want....I'll beat your ass in either one. <notice the aggressiveness of the tone?> This is pretty much what goes on in my head while in the staging lanes. Once I'm in the car.....it is over. Period. You've lost and you just don't know it yet. The machine and the man inside are one and the same. We act together as symbiots. This is where the "act and react" part come into play. Machines do not think. Machines do not rationalize. They do not play "mind games". They don't throw tantrums or get riled up or try to pump themselves up in order to perform. They simply perform. Action and Reaction.


Bottom Line: Don't Think.
 

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Havent you assholes heard of courtesy staging? lol

Both cars pull to first light, then once that happens you both pull to the 2nd light. Gives you both time to setup
 

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