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Guys, please don't muck up my build thread.

Installed the Corsa exhaust tonight. Hella easy to do, sounds freaking awesome, and no drone. Look for a complete writeup soon.

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[...]The 80 ft lb increase @ 2200 rpm came from somewhere. How much from the LT's /hi flow catted H/ bigger TB / DSS-DS /94 tune..I have no clue. I highly suspect that a chunk of it came from the DS..since most DS dyno sheets show a peak in tq right around +/- 2500 rpm for a 1 piece AL shaft. [...]

The FRPP ProCal tune for the Kie Oatie claims an additional 60 torques at 1500rpm. That's from the (CARB-legal) tune alone. My suspicion is not highly, but seems to me if a California smog-legal tune alone can add that many torques to a stock 5.0, a more aggressive tune could account for as much as all that hardware, together, with or without the "please-let-me-not-have-wasted-all-that-money" factor.
 
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Guys, please don't muck up my build thread.

Installed the Corsa exhaust tonight. Hella easy to do, sounds freaking awesome, and no drone. Look for a complete writeup soon.

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Any chance you know anyone with a decibel meter? I have been thinking about getting exhaust, but most tracks in Northern California have relatively low db limits (Laguna being the worst at ~90-93db).

Also any audio of the new exhaust would be awesome.
 

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Any chance you know anyone with a decibel meter? I have been thinking about getting exhaust, but most tracks in Northern California have relatively low db limits (Laguna being the worst at ~90-93db).

Also any audio of the new exhaust would be awesome.

Well, the exhaust is quiet by "race" standards, and I have the Xtreme kit with X-over pipe. Definitely quieter than the Magnaflow Competition system that it replaced. I'm pretty sure you'd have no issues with noise levels. The exhaust note is completely different; it sounds exotic, like an Aston Martin or TVR or something.

I'm working on videos. I took one with my piece of shit phone and all you can hear is noise. :-/

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The FRPP ProCal tune for the Kie Oatie claims an additional 60 torques at 1500rpm. That's from the (CARB-legal) tune alone. My suspicion is not highly, but seems to me if a California smog-legal tune alone can add that many torques to a stock 5.0, a more aggressive tune could account for as much as all that hardware, together, with or without the "please-let-me-not-have-wasted-all-that-money" factor.

I don't want to muck up sky render's superb build thread, but wanted to comment briefly on the above. Ford claims that the coyote will run just fine on 87 octane fuel. You lose 10-12 hp at the top end ( vs 91 octane)... but the tq drops way off at the bottom end. Just switching from 87 to 91 octane will make a big tq difference. The more agressive pro-cal 91/93 tune is supposed to net you 60 ft lbs of tq. It does. But that only pertains to the coyote eng. I don't think they mean 60 ft lbs of tq vs oem tune with 91 gas either.

I have a 2010 GT.... which uses the last of the 4.6L 3 v engs. No tune by anyone will net you another 60 ft lbs of TQ at the bottom end. The 4.6 is an obsolete eng by any standard. I installed a small roush M90 blower 6 months after I bought the car. I tried an experiment, and instead of using a smaller blower pulley, I instead added the LT's, high flow cats, bigger TB, 94 tune, and 1 piece DS. Boost remains the same... but rwtq is 80 ft lbs higher at 2200 rpm.... vs b4 the mods (and using roush 91 tune).

B4 the mods were added, I had VMP send me a new, this time a 94 octane tune. Crank hp increases by 20hp from 440 to 460. Bottom end tq barely increases. It was a modest, subtle improvement at best.. I was not impressed. Then the various mods were added....and another 94 tune. Ok, then it all came together. The bigger TB is a waste of effort on any NA 4.6L.... but makes a small improvement if a blower used. The DSS-DS went in next. The tach comes up slightly quicker, and some folks (myself included) notice that you tend to hit the rev limiter way more often..esp in 1st + 2nd gear.

The LT's + high flow cats made the biggest difference. The bottom end TQ increase was immediately noticeable. The JBA's are a lot longer than kooks...and are optimized for the lower-mid rpm ranges. Still more power at the top end..but not as much as kooks lt's. In retrospect, it would have been a lot cheaper to have just used a smaller blower pulley. LT's are not cheap, esp the install. However, the blower is rarely used on the street. The DS, bigger TB, and esp the LT's and hi flow cats are all effective in NA mode. A smaller blower pulley is only effective when in blower mode.

If I had to do it all over again, a 2011-2014 coyote would be the ticket... and no blower. I'd install LT's, high flow cats, DSS-DS, and a 94 tune....and call it a day.
 

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My 4.6 has almost all of the bolt-ons. JBA lt's too. My latest install was a Dynotech ds, and 5-7hp/ 3-5tq, at the wheels is generous, most likely placebo. Hot/cold day. A/C on/off. MAYBE 1/10th sec. in a 1/4 mile.

The biggest difference is the "clunk" is gone, and even that took a sec to notice.

Negotiate terms, and release this thread already.
 

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This was an utterly awful autocross course, and my piece-of-shit phone decided to corrupt all my videos from my later runs (where I actually did well), but this video at least lets you hear the Corsa exhaust.

 

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Sometimes, I get bored and just start snapping pictures.

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So, all this BMR stuff is starting to get installed tomorrow morning. :snoopy

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  • PHR013 - Panhard Rod, DOM, On-car Adj, Poly Bushing/Rod End Combo
  • CAB005 - Control Arm Relocation Brackets, Bolt-on
  • TCA021 - Lower Control Arms, DOM, On-car Adjustable, Polyurethane & Rod End Combo
  • UCM002 - Upper Control Arm Mount
  • UTCA033 - "Ultimate" Upper Control Arm, DOM, On-car Adjustable, Spherical Bearing
I'm very excited to see how swapping out a pair of Poly bushings on each of those parts with a Poly/Rod-end or Poly/Spherical-bearing combination affects handling. BMR says that keeping a poly bushing on one of the two ends still keeps NHV down to reasonable levels.
 

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I take it you had BMR's weld-recommended brackets? What is the reason they don't require welding? Thicker...etc.
 

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I take it you had BMR's weld-recommended brackets? What is the reason they don't require welding? Thicker...etc.

BMR LCA relocate brackets consist of 1/4" + 3/16" steel plates welded together.... = 7/16" total thickness.. = .4375" thick. They also have an extra piece of steel going up the back side. The BMR brackets get bolted in 3 places. Two bolts in the side, and one in the back. You can adjust the LCA for a 2"-3"-4" drop. The WL brackets are also bolted in 3 places.... but only allow for a 3" drop... (same as the middle hole in the BMR bracket). I think the FRPP bracket is also fixed with a 3" drop.

The steeda brackets are only bolted in one place ! If steeda brackets used.... you have to carefully drive /baby the car over to the welding shop to get em welded into place. Steeda makes some good stuff, but their LCA relocate brackets are not one of them.

The BMR brackets should work with any brand of LCA. I wasn't about to take any chances, so used BMR LCA's. I also used the BMR adjustable UCA..superb piece.

Funny thing was, the BMR lca's were a tight fit in the BMR lca relocate brackets. The GT-500 lca's slid easily into the BMR brackets.

Using the middle hole on the BMR brackets resulted in the lca's being at a 6.2 deg angle with my rear springs. If say 1.25" lowering springs used, and you want the lca's level, you need a 1.25" drop..... but the min you can get is 2" with the bmr brackets.....so the lca's are at a slight angle.

I initially tried the top hole in the BMR brackets for a year, then dropped em into the middle hole. I'm going to put them back up to the top hole. Something doesn't feel right, dunno if it's partial wheel hop on braking, or the way it handles coming out of corners. I can't put my finger on it, suffice to say the top hole had zero problems.
 

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BMR only makes bolt-in brackets. They could be welded, but I'd only trust a good chassis shop to do it. I've never had an issue with slipping or shifting of any bolt-in brackets. Look for a complete review and writeup of both the Corsa exhaust and the BMR control arms in a few weeks. :thumb:

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