Sky Render's Build Thread

[frink84]

just finished the thread, had been following it on motoiq, seeing it in forum mode makes it a bit easier to follow. great build!

 

[CobraRed]

Hey Frink, didn't see you on these boards. Remember you from SCS.
Welcome to the S197 crowd.

 

[Apex50]

Well, this is just great. The Mustang breaks right before I have to leave for Hyper Fest. Anyone have any insight into this weirdness:

http://www.s197forum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2217800#post2217800

Sorry to hear that, hopefully your dealership can figure it out before the weekend

 

[Sky Render]

just finished the thread, had been following it on motoiq, seeing it in forum mode makes it a bit easier to follow. great build!

Hey thanks!

Sorry to hear that, hopefully your dealership can figure it out before the weekend

I'm hoping to pick it up this afternoon so I can still leave early tomorrow for VIR!

 

[Sky Render]

Just got a call; I'll be picking the Mustang up this evening.

Here's the official Hyper Fest map! Looks like the MotoIQ handling challenge is going to be by the South Paddock.

 

[Sky Render]

Well, the Mustang is NOT fixed. And I'm not risking driving an interference motor 400 miles with cam problems. So I'm not going to be at Hyper Fest after all. I'm pretty bummed about it, especially since the dealer sat on my car for an entire day without looking at it. This might've been fixed if not for their incompetence. I'm taking it somewhere else tomorrow. Hell, maybe you'll see an entry in this build thread about how to replace cam phasers.

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[Gray Ghost GT]

Hope to see you at VIR with the SVT Cobra Mustang Club in late May. Mike

 

[BMR Tech]

BUMMMER Man.

Hope it's not too bad V.

Good luck.

 

[Sky Render]

Update.

I got a call from Keystone Ford. The technician (who apparently is actually competent enough to perform proper diagnostics) confirmed it was a faulty VCT solenoid and ordered a new solenoid and wiring pigtail.

Since this isn't a magazine, I'll say this here. Fuck Hagerstown Ford. Those chuckleheaded bumblefucks had my car for 2 days and "couldn't find a problem," even though the Copperhead ECU was fucking telling them exactly what the problem was. Keystone Ford took less than 2 hours this morning to fully diagnose the problem and order the part.

Let's review just how STUPID Hagerstown Ford's service department is. Firstly, watch this video:



That video, quite succinctly and elegantly (and with a British accent!), explains in wonderful animations how Ti-VCT works. There are 3 takeaways from this video:

1. Ti-VCT variables the cam timing (duration) of the cams throughout the RPM range.
2. Ti-VCT is locked out when the engine oil is cold.
3. Ti-VCT is mostly not used when there is no load on the engine.

So, these chowderheads pull my car into their shop after sitting on it for more than a day, even AFTER I told them I needed the car fixed no later than Friday morning and they confirm that they will look at it immediately. They start the car up, verify the trouble codes that I already gave them, clear said codes, and proceed to "run diagnostics" while free-revving the car in neutral. No check engine light came back on, so they test drove the car for 12 miles on the highway. They then tell me the oil (which was changed less than 600 miles ago) is contaminated and charge me $180 for a diagnosis fee and full-synthetic oil change, even though my powertrain is still under warranty. I paid the money just to get my car away from them, knowing full well that the dam MIL would come back on. It did, less than 3 miles from the dealership.


See the problems?


Firstly, the engine oil was cold. This is inexcusable, since there's a bloody oil temperature gauge staring you in the face.


Secondly, free-revving the car engine doesn't do squat, because there's no load on the engine.


Finally, a test drive on the Interstate doesn't do jack shit, because it is only at one RPM the entire time.


How the heck has this dealership been in business this long?!

 

[skwerl]

^Again, this is why I refuse to even acknowledge that my car has a warranty. Without a warranty I would pay for the diagnostics and parts but I wouldn't pay for some ripoff $180 oil change. I'll take my chances with a mechanic I trust and the local dealers around here can fuck off.

 

[Sky Render]

Well, the local mechanic I usually go to is Keystone Ford. They've done all my TSBs and stuff to the Mustang. Heck, they work with a local tuner shop (Booze Brothers Racing) and sell tuned Mustangs off the showroom floor with factory warranties intact. It was my fault for going to the slightly closer dealer I bought the car from in the hopes that they would get it fixed a little sooner.

 

[jraskell]

Heck, they work with a local tuner shop (Booze Brothers Racing) and sell tuned Mustangs off the showroom floor with factory warranties intact.

Man, I wish there was a dealer like that around here. I can't even find a dealer to install a FRPP Trackey for me.

 

[oldVOR]

I've had the same issues with dealers as well. Took my truck into the dealer several times with a brake vibration that could be felt in the seat of the pants and not through the steering wheel. I tell the tech it's the rear brakes that need to be looked over. Get a call a week later and it's all fixed. Get the truck back after hours and see they've put 0.5 miles during the testing and the ticket says RR Right Front Rotor - Warped. No body here but the porter and no use giving him a piece of my mind. Head home and still have the vibration. Come back a couple days later and explain to same service writer that it's the rear of the truck and he didn't note it in the first service ticket. He says he told the tech it was a vibration. A week later, go to get the truck and see they've listed RR Right Front Spindle - Bent. WTF? Go find the service manager and let him know we are going for a drive and he's driving. Get up to 50mph several miles from the dealership and he applies the brakes and says, "its the rear brakes" I said exactly and why have you guys been replacing parts up front? He said he'd have it addressed ASAP and get the truck back to me before the weekend. A week later, bypassed the weekend waiting on parts, and the truck is fixed. Service ticket indicated RR Right Rear Rotor - Warped. If the truck wasn't new with less than 1,000 miles, I'd have done it all myself. That was the start of my issues with that F150 and it was eventually bought back under Lemon Law for spending almost half it's life at the dealership. It had a touch over 5,000 miles when it went back to its maker. Never had vehicle issues like that before or after that truck but have had incompetent dealers along the way and it didn't matter the brand.

 

[skwerl]

My Mustang has a terribly clunky transmission. I'll either replace it, trade the car or live with the clunk but taking it in to have a dealership work on it is absolutely out of the question. I'd rather set it on fire.

 

[ArizonaGT]

You can run with TiVCT problems, you will just feel like you are down 100 hp and missing a ton of low-end torque.

I had issues with the solenoids on mine, the connectors don't like high RPM vibration, they turn into tuning forks and break down the contacts. Replace the solenoids and pigtails with the 2013 versions and your problems will be gone (if that is your problem). I got P0020 when mine happened, IIRC.

Edit: Sounds like your dealer already reached this conclusion, from your other thread.

 

[Sky Render]

You can run with TiVCT problems, you will just feel like you are down 100 hp and missing a ton of low-end torque.

Well, I originally assumed that I had a VCT solenoid problem, based on the lack of low-end torque and otherwise smooth running. (I described it to a friend as "honduh civic levels of power below 3 grand, then Thor's hammer slams you in the chest.") However, since those troglodytes at Hagerstown Phord didn't find the problem initially, I erred on the side of caution and didn't drive the ~350 miles down to VIR. (The Coyote is an interference motor, after all.)

I had issues with the solenoids on mine, the connectors don't like high RPM vibration, they turn into tuning forks and break down the contacts. Replace the solenoids and pigtails with the 2013 versions and your problems will be gone (if that is your problem). I got P0020 when mine happened, IIRC.

Tell me more about this. Were both the solenoids and wiring pigtails redesigned for the 2013 model year? Does anyone have any pictures of the differences? I'm assuming that the dealer is only replacing the offending unit; however, I'd like to replace the other 3, as well, on my own to prevent this from happening again.

 

[claudermilk]

I erred on the side of caution and didn't drive the ~350 miles down to VIR. (The Coyote is an interference motor, after all.)

Better safe than posting a "well, I drove with a code showing and blew up the engine" thread.

 

[kevinatfms]

You can run with TiVCT problems, you will just feel like you are down 100 hp and missing a ton of low-end torque.

I had issues with the solenoids on mine, the connectors don't like high RPM vibration, they turn into tuning forks and break down the contacts. Replace the solenoids and pigtails with the 2013 versions and your problems will be gone (if that is your problem). I got P0020 when mine happened, IIRC.

Edit: Sounds like your dealer already reached this conclusion, from your other thread.

The correct term by Ford for the terminals coming apart is called "terminal fretting". They made our entire dealership go through this stupid class about terminal fretting. It was ridiculous.

The TSB's for terminal fretting tell you to close the pins up, add dielectric grease and then ship the car. Thats it. The 2000-2007 Focus had a TSB for the driver side airbag setting an air bag light due to terminal fretting from the connector being too loose. No service parts, no special procedure, just a pull connector, close pins, fill with grease, ship car.

 

[SlowJim]

Any updates?

 

[kevinatfms]

He is on his honeymoon. He picked it up from the dealer to take pics for the wedding so I assume he dropped it back off and they are replacing the cam sprockets/ phasers.
He should be back soon to comment more.


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