Steeda tuning request form...CAI not listed, what to do?

[deezdrama]

There are no Roush intakes for 2010-14 cars, RED. The intakes are manufactured for Roush by Airaid for all 2005-09 and "2010" 4.6L 3v and for all 2011-18 5.0 Coyote models.

Here you go

http://www.roushperformance.com/parts/Mustang-Cold-Air-Intake-Kit-2010-2012.html

Not the one u posted pic of clearly
Now can you understand where this shit was confusing for me on an oddball year with oddball parts and being my first mustang and first tune???? Damn

 

[06 T-RED S/C GT]

I just checked the Roush website now and I, therefore, stand corrected. It appears that Roush, after all, does manufacture their own intake designed for 2010-14 models. Anyhow my mistake!

 

[06 T-RED S/C GT]

Here you go

http://www.roushperformance.com/parts/Mustang-Cold-Air-Intake-Kit-2010-2012.html

Not the one u posted pic of clearly
Now can you understand where this shit was confusing for me on an oddball year with oddball parts and being my first mustang and first tune???? Damn

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Yeah, I understand now regarding the intake, as I was clearly wrong. However, IMO you could still use the stock tune file from your SCT X-4 for the Roush CAI with no problem.

 

[stkjock]

64 posts.....

 

[deezdrama]

No problem guys....

It just shows how it was confusing for me when it also confused allot of you guys with more experience.

I have an oddball intake, thats why steeda doesnt support it... if i had 5.0 maybe they would.
Oddball intake, crushed filter that needed replaced anyway, and i dont like the looks of it so thats why I got the JLT.... and i just want to be able to drive safely with my mods untill im finished bolting on.... thats why I went steeda.
Say what you will about them .... I sifted through hundreds of posts over a dozen forums and never heard a bad thing about them except they were conservative.
Conservative and safe..... thats what i want right now.

 

[06 T-RED S/C GT]

64 posts.....

Unfortunately

 

[RocketcarX]

64 posts.....

18 wheel Mustangs

 

[Pentalab]

I just checked the Roush website now and I, therefore, stand corrected. It appears that Roush, after all, does manufacture their own intake designed for 2010-14 models. Anyhow my mistake!

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Although it will work with a 2010, it still retains the same..'snorkel' that goes from new airbox..to the front grille. The 'snorkel' is the main restriction, it's mounted vertical at extreme right side ( driver's side) of upper grille. It's not very wide, and not very tall. If you want more airflow through the oem 2010 airbox, all that's required is a K+N panel filter. With the K+N installed, you can hear the air scream through.

The Roush 2010-2014 CAI, when used on the 2010, re-uses the same MAF sensor, so ends up being a NO-tune CAI. IE: it's oem stock for all intensive purposes. The 2010 TB is a twin 55mm affair. The 11-14 cars use a single 80mm TB.

The roush cai is a NO tune device. No reason why steeda can't tune for it. All roush has done is replaced the oem airbox with the new box + cone filter. Everything before and after the new cai is bone stock. It still remains a no tune cai per roush. So steeda has it wrong, it's stock for tuning purposes. On a 2010, the roush cai is a looks only device, comparable to the oem box and a K+N filter.

That roush cai won't work with FI, and neither will your new JLT. And neither are required on any NA setup.

 

[06 T-RED S/C GT]

Although it will work with a 2010, it still retains the same..'snorkel' that goes from new airbox..to the front grille. The 'snorkel' is the main restriction, it's mounted vertical at extreme right side ( driver's side) of upper grille. It's not very wide, and not very tall. If you want more airflow through the oem 2010 airbox, all that's required is a K+N panel filter. With the K+N installed, you can hear the air scream through.

The Roush 2010-2014 CAI, when used on the 2010, re-uses the same MAF sensor, so ends up being a NO-tune CAI. IE: it's oem stock for all intensive purposes. The 2010 TB is a twin 55mm affair. The 11-14 cars use a single 80mm TB.

The roush cai is a NO tune device. No reason why steeda can't tune for it. All roush has done is replace the oem airbox with the new box + cone filter. Everything before and after the new cai is bone stock. It still remains a no tune cai per roush. So steeda has it wrong, it's stock for tuning purposes. On a 2010, the roush cai is a looks only device, comparable to the oem box and a K+N filter.

That roush cai won't work with FI, and neither will your new JLT. And neither are required on any NA setup.

What I don't quite understand is how this non-tuned Roush CAI works for both the 2010 4.6L 3v and 2011-14 Coyote 5.0 4v. You would think it wouldn't work for both, due to having different sized throttle bodies, with the 4.6 3v having the 55mm twin TB and the 5.0 Coyote with single 80mm TB? But then again, I'm more familiar with the 2005-10 4.6 3v cars, to begin with. I also agree and see no reason why Steeda couldn't just write up a base tune file for the OP to download into his SCT X-4 via e-mail if necessary. However, I also see no reason why the OP couldn't just select the stock tune file from the X-4 being as his non-tuned Roush CAI has the same MAF housing as OEM stock anyhow. Therefore Steeda most definitely has it all wrong just as you mentioned.

 

[Pentalab]

What I don't quite understand is how this non-tuned Roush CAI works for both the 2010 4.6L 3v and 2011-14 Coyote 5.0 4v. You would think it wouldn't work for both, due to having different sized throttle bodies, with the 4.6 3v having the 55mm twin TB and the 5.0 Coyote with single 80mm TB? But then again, I'm more familiar with the 2005-10 4.6 3v cars, to begin with. I also agree and see no reason why Steeda couldn't just write up a base tune file for the OP to download into his SCT X-4 via e-mail if necessary. However, I also see no reason why the OP couldn't just select the stock tune file from the X-4 being as his non-tuned Roush CAI has the same MAF housing as OEM stock anyhow. Therefore Steeda most definitely has it all wrong just as you mentioned.

Below is from roush..under 'description'.

"This CAI system has been engineered and tested to ensure that the MAF signal performance (including airflow vs. voltage and signal noise) is TRANSPARENT to factory settings, which is why our kit does NOT require a unique calibration." "New premium MAF tube included"

The tb upstream does not enter into the equation..since the re-used MAF sensor is downstream.
On the 2010 the cai is the same size as the 11+. Roush supplies a new MAF tube that fits their new air box. Other end of same new Roush short MAF tube fits into oem ford cai rubber tube..then off to the TB. " Note: Does NOT include new clean air tube (reuses factory) "

The 2010 also gets the..'sound tube' that pipes air induction noise into the cabin..same as the 11-14 cars.

The oem maf sensor is re-used. MAF = mass air flow. Which is the weight of the air..and not the volume of the air. At higher elevations, you require more CFM to achieve the same mass airflow . That's why they measure mass airflow..and not cfm.

The same concept also applies to cooling applications when at an elevated site. In denver, you require 20% more cfm..and also 20% more pressure.... vs sea level.

This new roush cai has the same MAF voltage as the oem airbox on a 10-14 car... no special tune required. Since its all bottle necked at the MAF sensor, any perceived performance gains are cuz of the lower pressure drop of the new cone filter vs oem paper air filter. But the oem 2010 airbox flows 800 cfm with oem paper filter..and 960 cfm with a K+N filter....so the roush filter is no better than the oem airbox and K+N panel filter.

Nothing fancy required on a NA 2010 3v. The roush cai is an aesthetics device, impresses folks at car shows....and no tune required. Any additional HP will obtained from the new tune, the cai doesn't enter into the equation on a 2010 3v NA.

 

[07 Boss]

OP, did you get this situated? Happy to help - you can email me at [email protected] & I will connect you with Matt - the person that writes our tunes.

Our tunes are written specifically for your car & your mods - it is not a canned tune.

Steeda's tunes are safe, reliable & powerful - we offer that peace of mind that when you run with Steeda, you won't experience issues with your investment.

Lastly, we offer tunes for life - its a great deal!

Happy to help ... oh & we are currently running our President's Day Sale - up to 15% off on Steeda Manufactured Parts.

Best Regards!

TJ

You guys are full of it. What do you mean you can't tune for a no-tune CAI? That's garbage. This would make me run away.

 

[07 Boss]

Im looking at the jlt series 3 cai.
Just need to make sure its supported by steedas tuning dept.

Again.... my filter on this "no tune" roush is shot so instead of buying new filter it makes sense to me to buy the jlt series 3 that requires tune for a few more bucks even if I only gain 5hp.

https://www.americanmuscle.com/jlt-series3-cai-10gt.html

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That doesn't make any sense.

Buy a new filter. Get a tune from someone who knows what they are doing. You shouldn't have to check and see if Steeda can support the tune for any mods, let alone a bolt on no-tune required CAI. That's just plain stupid. Read the writing on the walls, run away now.

Seriously dude. If you can't see that Steeda does not really know how to tune a car, if they tell you the stock tune will not work and it is currently working with a stock tune, and you take their word for it with the proof right in front of you, then I don't know what else to tell you except good luck and happy cruising.

Can't fix stupid.

 

[06 T-RED S/C GT]

Below is from roush..under 'description'.

"This CAI system has been engineered and tested to ensure that the MAF signal performance (including airflow vs. voltage and signal noise) is TRANSPARENT to factory settings, which is why our kit does NOT require a unique calibration." "New premium MAF tube included"

The tb upstream does not enter into the equation..since the re-used MAF sensor is downstream.
On the 2010 the cai is the same size as the 11+. Roush supplies a new MAF tube that fits their new air box. Other end of same new Roush short MAF tube fits into oem ford cai rubber tube..then off to the TB. " Note: Does NOT include new clean air tube (reuses factory) "

The 2010 also gets the..'sound tube' that pipes air induction noise into the cabin..same as the 11-14 cars.

The oem maf sensor is re-used. MAF = mass air flow. Which is the weight of the air..and not the volume of the air. At higher elevations, you require more CFM to achieve the same mass airflow . That's why they measure mass airflow..and not cfm.

The same concept also applies to cooling applications when at an elevated site. In denver, you require 20% more cfm..and also 20% more pressure.... vs sea level.

This new roush cai has the same MAF voltage as the oem airbox on a 10-14 car... no special tune required. Since its all bottle necked at the MAF sensor, any perceived performance gains are cuz of the lower pressure drop of the new cone filter vs oem paper air filter. But the oem 2010 airbox flows 800 cfm with oem paper filter..and 960 cfm with a K+N filter....so the roush filter is no better than the oem airbox and K+N panel filter.

Nothing fancy required on a NA 2010 3v. The roush cai is an aesthetics device, impresses folks at car shows....and no tune required. Any additional HP will obtained from the new tune, the cai doesn't enter into the equation on a 2010 3v NA.

My mistake as your right about the TB not entering the equation since the MAF sensor/housing is downstream. I also didn't realize the CAI on the 2010 4.6 3v and 11+ Coyote 5.0 are both the same size, as I assumed the MAF housing for the 11+ cars were larger in diameter. Therefore once again, I stand corrected. Anyhow I also attempted to recommend to the OP to consider purchasing an "OEM" stock airbox for his "2010" by doing a google search for OEM take off parts, being as very little would be gained if at all by running an aftermarket non-tuned CAI on a N/A 4.6 3v over the "2010" stock airbox. In the meantime, thanks again for bringing me up to speed

You guys are full of it. What do you mean you can't tune for a no-tune CAI? That's garbage. This would make me run away.

Becuase they don't tune, they use SCT base tune files and then tweak them for use with their products lol.

That doesn't make any sense.

Buy a new filter. Get a tune from someone who knows what they are doing. You shouldn't have to check and see if Steeda can support the tune for any mods, let alone a bolt on no-tune required CAI. That's just plain stupid. Read the writing on the walls, run away now.

Seriously dude. If you can't see that Steeda does not really know how to tune a car, if they tell you the stock tune will not work and it is currently working with a stock tune, and you take their word for it with the proof right in front of you, then I don't know what else to tell you except good luck and happy cruising.

Can't fix stupid.

I also find it hilarious in how Steeda attempts to bullshit everybody on these forums with their outrageous marketing hype claims that Steeda's custom e-mail tunes are written specifically for each individual vehicle and are NOT canned tunes which are totally and completely false and are therefore nothing more than just a bunch of marketing hype. Anyone with even half a brain knows full well that a real custom tune is performed during a custom tuning session on the dyno or remotely thru data logging via e-mail. The bottom line is all aftermarket tunes that come preloaded or via e-mail with the exception of those thru remote data logging are the very same canned tunes included in SCT's preloaded programmers but are tweaked by the vendor exclusively for their aftermarket parts. That being said OP, don't fall for the marketing hype bullshit and go with a reputable tuner who's willing to work with you rather than provide a bunch of excuses for not being able to tune for a non-tune CAI that has the knowledge and experience to back it up!

 

[skwerl]

^ Actually most decent tuners don't even mess with the canned SCT tunes because they suck. Any decent tuner writes his own base tunes. Somebody like Justin or Lito who does hundreds of tunes for the same basic setups will have their base tune refined to the point of being as good as a custom dyno tune. I bought a canned tune from Justin for my 2014 5.0 and by that time he had tuned probably a couple thousand 5.0 Mustangs. He loaded the tune on an SCT handheld off his computer, I took it home and loaded the tune on my car and I haven't had to touch it in 3 years. It's perfect.

Most of the time when you deal with a company like Steeda you are getting an hourly employee loading a canned tune and mailing it out. The person loading your tune may or may not have any practical experience tuning cars. It's just a computer job. When complaints come in they are routed to one guy with some tuning experience and he worked with somebody in the past who may have been a decent tuner. Or not. Most issues are blamed on the customer or pre existing problems on the car. They can't adjust the tunes because they don't know how. Steeda tunes are just another version of American Muscle's Bama tunes.

 

[travelers]

Is this the longest CAI post?

 

[RocketcarX]

Is this the longest CAI post?

It's not even a CAI post...it's dumber than that.

 

[06 T-RED S/C GT]

^ Actually most decent tuners don't even mess with the canned SCT tunes because they suck. Any decent tuner writes his own base tunes. Somebody like Justin or Lito who does hundreds of tunes for the same basic setups will have their base tune refined to the point of being as good as a custom dyno tune. I bought a canned tune from Justin for my 2014 5.0 and by that time he had tuned probably a couple thousand 5.0 Mustangs. He loaded the tune on an SCT handheld off his computer, I took it home and loaded the tune on my car and I haven't had to touch it in 3 years. It's perfect.

Most of the time when you deal with a company like Steeda you are getting an hourly employee loading a canned tune and mailing it out. The person loading your tune may or may not have any practical experience tuning cars. It's just a computer job. When complaints come in they are routed to one guy with some tuning experience and he worked with somebody in the past who may have been a decent tuner. Or not. Most issues are blamed on the customer or pre existing problems on the car. They can't adjust the tunes because they don't know how. Steeda tunes are just another version of American Muscle's Bama tunes.

Tuners such as VMP, Lito, Lund, JDM engineering and even Brenspeed are excellent examples of who actually write their own base tunes and then refine them just as you mentioned unlike AM/Bama and Steeda who use an SCT canned tune and then call it an e-mail custom tune just as I previously mentioned in this thread. Anyhow, I know thru personal experience that you're absolutely 100% spot on about the differences between a really good tuning specialist and those who just load some canned tune and then e-mail it out to the customer by passing it off as a custom e-mail tune lol. At any rate, since purchasing my first S197 13 years ago, I started out by running custom e-mail tunes from Doug Studdard who was the original founder and tuning specialist for Bamachips until selling his company to American Muscle, then ran AM/Bama tunes for nearly 6 months until finally getting fed up with their so-called customer service dept taking up to 2 weeks or longer before receiving my tune revisions which still weren't properly dialed in after being re-checked on the dyno. So in the end, I finally went with Brenspeed and haven't encountered any negative issues at all. However, as far as I"m concerned, I found that Doug's custom e-mail tunes were as close as you can possibly get to an actual custom dyno tune. Needless to say, I sure wish that Doug were still in the custom tuning industry to this day

 

[palanza7]

Lol what did i just read

 

[eighty6gt]

I wonder if OP got a tune from BAMA yet! Tunes for life!

 

[ExSRT8Guy]

Tuners such as VMP, Lito, Lund, JDM engineering and even Brenspeed are excellent examples of who actually write their own base tunes and then refine them just as you mentioned unlike AM/Bama and Steeda who use an SCT canned tune and then call it an e-mail custom tune just as I previously mentioned in this thread. Anyhow, I know thru personal experience that you're absolutely 100% spot on about the differences between a really good tuning specialist and those who just load some canned tune and then e-mail it out to the customer by passing it off as a custom e-mail tune lol. At any rate, since purchasing my first S197 13 years ago, I started out by running custom e-mail tunes from Doug Studdard who was the original founder and tuning specialist for Bamachips until selling his company to American Muscle, then ran AM/Bama tunes for nearly 6 months until finally getting fed up with their so-called customer service dept taking up to 2 weeks or longer before receiving my tune revisions which still weren't properly dialed in after being re-checked on the dyno. So in the end, I finally went with Brenspeed and haven't encountered any negative issues at all. However, as far as I"m concerned, I found that Doug's custom e-mail tunes were as close as you can possibly get to an actual custom dyno tune. Needless to say, I sure wish that Doug were still in the custom tuning industry to this day

Doug from Bama was da man when I had a 5.0 Explorer almost 20 years ago.

I have the Brenspeed tunes on my car. Only engine "mods" are mufflers (for tone) and a K&N panel filter inside an opened-up stock airbox. Car had 30K miles on it at the install, 55K on it now. With Brenspeed's tune, it has always pinged on the spec'd fuel... 87, 89, 91, so have to run the grade above the spec (currently running 91 with the 89 tune). Followed up with Brenspeed, and they said there must be something wrong with my car. Ah, no.

I'll be getting a Lito tune. Shouldn't be necessary on what it essentially a stock engine, but...