5.0 died and will not start

[Synister500]

sub'ing.. I'm starting to wonder if the OP was telling the truth about the no oil on the dipstick thing or if that's a way for him to blame the problem on something else (instead of the tune).

All hell you caught me! So you subscribed because you think I was lying about it being low on oil to hide something? You actually believe that if I lied about that I would come back and tell the truth about how the car was fixed??? Yea you're an intelligent one.

Actually the problem is that SD Wheeler now works for Ford! Haha

 

[19COBRA93]

I hope ford is watching these boards and realizes that voiding warranties without real cause is going to be loosing alot of potential customers. If the tune is the cause then fine but they need to actually prove it.

Have you not read the thread? Ford isn't voiding anything without cause. It's not going to turn any customers away. What are those customers going to do? Buy a GM? Yeah, tune one of those and take it to a dealer for warranty work and see how far you get. This isn't isolated to just Ford, this isn't new, this is Ford saying, "If you modify your car and it causes a failure, we're not paying for it." It's really that simple.

 

[Aandf1978]

Actually the problem is that SD Wheeler now works for Ford! Haha

He did this in effort to retaliate against our forum!!! He is burning up #8 cylinders, siezing up engines, and has worked a deal with the chinese fucking up the trannys (not the formerly male, now female type) or maybe that is his thing who knows??!!

 

[BAKnBLK2010]

Have you not read the thread? Ford isn't voiding anything without cause. It's not going to turn any customers away. What are those customers going to do? Buy a GM? Yeah, tune one of those and take it to a dealer for warranty work and see how far you get. This isn't isolated to just Ford, this isn't new, this is Ford saying, "If you modify your car and it causes a failure, we're not paying for it." It's really that simple.

Actually it is kind of a new thing in a way. There have been thousands of Fords repaired under warranty that were heavily modified and you know this to be true. Ford for whatever reason is now really cracking down on these types of repairs. It sucks for the owners of the new 5.0 like myself but as others have said when you modify your new car be prepaired to pay the price if you have a failure.

 

[trolls56]

Have you not read the thread? Ford isn't voiding anything without cause. It's not going to turn any customers away. What are those customers going to do? Buy a GM? Yeah, tune one of those and take it to a dealer for warranty work and see how far you get. This isn't isolated to just Ford, this isn't new, this is Ford saying, "If you modify your car and it causes a failure, we're not paying for it." It's really that simple.

I can read just fine the tsb say if it has a tune then the warranty is void. So if you have a intake o/r x pipe and a tune that is cause for your motor to blow up? Like i said if its actually the tune that caused it fine. As for me yeah i will be skipping the 5.0 cuz of this. If it can't handle simple mods like that no thanks. What are they going to do next void the warranty cuz you change the wheels. My Raptor has the basic mods and has had no problem with my 6.2. I will stick with SVT and get a GT500.

 

[KungFuHamster]

I can read just fine the tsb say if it has a tune then the warranty is void. So if you have a intake o/r x pipe and a tune that is cause for your motor to blow up? Like i said if its actually the tune that caused it fine. As for me yeah i will be skipping the 5.0 cuz of this. If it can't handle simple mods like that no thanks. What are they going to do next void the warranty cuz you change the wheels. My Raptor has the basic mods and has had no problem with my 6.2. I will stick with SVT and get a GT500.

good for you

 

[trolls56]

Id like to see if a pole on the cars that have had the #8 problem and who tuned them. Is it only certain Tuners that are having problems or is it all of them. If there was an actual reason why they blew up then fine but to just give a general reason like it was tuned is unacceptable if you ask me. We all knew back in the day that the 5.0 in fox bodys if you pushed it over 500 rwhp that you were a ticking time bomb on your stock block.

 

[19COBRA93]

I can read just fine the tsb say if it has a tune then the warranty is void. So if you have a intake o/r x pipe and a tune that is cause for your motor to blow up? Like i said if its actually the tune that caused it fine. As for me yeah i will be skipping the 5.0 cuz of this. If it can't handle simple mods like that no thanks. What are they going to do next void the warranty cuz you change the wheels. My Raptor has the basic mods and has had no problem with my 6.2. I will stick with SVT and get a GT500.

Yes, if you have an intake and a tune, and you break a piston, absolutely that was the cause.

Yeah, mod a GT500 and see how warranty friendly Ford will be. This isn't specific to the 5.0L. Same with your Raptor.

If money weren't an issue, the GT500 would be a better option by a long shot anyway, cylinder 8 issue or not.

 

[trolls56]

good for you

I reason this angers me is I was excite about the new 5.0 and how well it was taking to boost. Then I start looking into it more and find out how all these cars are having problem and then Ford comes out with that TSB. I guess its a good way to push the guys wanting more power into the GT500.

 

[trolls56]

Yes, if you have an intake and a tune, and you break a piston, absolutely that was the cause.

Yeah, mod a GT500 and see how warranty friendly Ford will be. This isn't specific to the 5.0L. Same with your Raptor.

If money weren't an issue, the GT500 would be a better option by a long shot anyway, cylinder 8 issue or not.

How can you say that was absolutely the cause? No way that is correct there is alot of other things that could have happened so that is my problem with it. Money isn't an issue but when you read about how some of the 5.0s are adding blower or turbos and are just as fast if not faster than the GT500s then why buy a GT500?? I guess the answer is cuz they are built better.

 

[19COBRA93]

How can you say that was absolutely the cause? No way that is correct there is alot of other things that could have happened so that is my problem with it. Money isn't an issue but when you read about how some of the 5.0s are adding blower or turbos and are just as fast if not faster than the GT500s then why buy a GT500?? I guess the answer is cuz they are built better.

I say it's absolutely the cause, because that failure wouldn't have happened if it was bone stock.

It seems the supercharged 5.0's are lasting longer than the n/a "tuned" cars.

When choosing between a GT and GT500, it's not only about hp. It's all things combined that determine what's best for you. The GT500 has proven to be quite durable. It's got a lot of looks, and gadgets, and things that really give it it's value over a GT.

 

[Swoope]

Id like to see if a pole on the cars that have had the #8 problem and who tuned them. Is it only certain Tuners that are having problems or is it all of them. If there was an actual reason why they blew up then fine but to just give a general reason like it was tuned is unacceptable if you ask me. We all knew back in the day that the 5.0 in fox bodys if you pushed it over 500 rwhp that you were a ticking time bomb on your stock block.

first it does not void warranty, it might cause a denial of a warranty claim.

look at the flow chart close and read your way through it... when they find a dtc they look for hardware changes that might cause the issue, if they find hardware the choice is did it cause the problem or not. if not warranty claim is fulfilled.

and from what i have been reading is almost no one with the issue will mention the tuner, i find that odd as this bad tune is going to cost them a lot of money. one would think the tuner would be thrown under the buss before ford.

the only tuner that has mentioned the issue and revamped the tunes is bamma, and i think it is great that they came clean.

maybe everyone in this thread that has had this failure should post up the tune that failed..

btw, as in most parts of life your attitude can make a difference!


beers

 

[5.4 Shelby]

first it does not void warranty, it might cause a denial of a warranty claim.

look at the flow chart close and read your way through it...
beers

If you look at the flowchart closely, it says "initiate warranty cancellation process"

 

[KJGT]

I took this link from another form, its a good read and for the most part is right on the money:

http://www.speedsportlife.com/2011/...y-voiding-tsb-really-isnt-that-big-of-a-deal/

 

[garner]

Yes, if you have an intake and a tune, and you break a piston, absolutely that was the cause.

Yeah, mod a GT500 and see how warranty friendly Ford will be. This isn't specific to the 5.0L. Same with your Raptor.

If money weren't an issue, the GT500 would be a better option by a long shot anyway, cylinder 8 issue or not.

Ford warranties some gt500 mods and they warranty some 5.0 mods. Iirc most of the ford racing superchargers are warrantied

 

[19COBRA93]

Ford warranties some gt500 mods and they warranty some 5.0 mods. Iirc most of the ford racing superchargers are warrantied

I should have specified "aftermarket" tunes and mods as I'm quite aware of what effect certain FRPP parts have on warranties. For the record, "most" of the superchargers through FRPP are not covered.

 

[KJGT]

Here is the limited warranty on FRPP stuff from them:

http://www.fordracingparts.com/warranty/FORD_RACING_LIMITED_WARRANTY_2011.pdf

Good read if you are considering sticking to FRPP parts and paying the dealer to install them.

 

[Synister500]

1. I'm enjoying the shit out of my 2011 GT500. I'm about to start moding the hell out of it with only 10k miles on it. Everything has arrived at the shop (build thread coming soon) If it breaks I will rebuild it with stronger aftermarket parts. Why put the "weaker" stock part back in it.

2. Moding is an expensive hobby with assumed risk. If you can't afford to fix it you better stick to visual mods.

3. I have no fucking clue how my thread about a friend's car dying while she was driving it turned into 10 pages of BS opinions on what Ford will or will not cover under warranty. Which to me is irrelevant since I nor anyone involved with the car has screamed warranty, warranty, warranty, Ford wah wah wah. You cry babies wonder why a tech forum done away with the killz section. You drama queens can't handle it.

4. My opinion about the "tune" problem regardless of who is tunning it boils down to a learning curve. Everyone was in a hurry to be "the first 5.0 to, in the, ....." and now we see the results of that rat race. That along with VCT and 11.0/1 compression; guess what, some are going to go "boom".

5. I still blame SD for all of this!

BJ

 

[VTXFrank]

I can read just fine the tsb say if it has a tune then the warranty is void. So if you have a intake o/r x pipe and a tune that is cause for your motor to blow up? Like i said if its actually the tune that caused it fine. As for me yeah i will be skipping the 5.0 cuz of this. If it can't handle simple mods like that no thanks. What are they going to do next void the warranty cuz you change the wheels. My Raptor has the basic mods and has had no problem with my 6.2. I will stick with SVT and get a GT500.

I reason this angers me is I was excite about the new 5.0 and how well it was taking to boost. Then I start looking into it more and find out how all these cars are having problem and then Ford comes out with that TSB. I guess its a good way to push the guys wanting more power into the GT500.

Damn dude. Reading your posts makes my head hurt.

 

[Swoope]

I took this link from another form, its a good read and for the most part is right on the money:

http://www.speedsportlife.com/2011/...y-voiding-tsb-really-isnt-that-big-of-a-deal/

thanks for that, it so covers it to the point!

beers