One More #8 Kids!

[white05gt]

the car that passed Fords test, as not having a tune. What is the truth!!!!!!!!! Did it have a tune at one time???????? Because if it was totally stock , this is the first confirmed stock #8 that i have seen

Looks like the guy decided to go afk for a response....more typical BS that is spread without data to back it up? We will see.....

From what I have been around him on the forums, I would take his work over most.

 

[wbt]

From what I have been around him on the forums, I would take his work over most.

Maybe so but don't throw an egg and run.....

 

[05mustang_TT_charged]

Some questions. Do you work at said dealership? Wondering how you know the car was driven for a week before bringing it in. Also wonder what you're calling "the" #8 problem, as you didn't say anything about either one of these engines being torn down.

I do not work there but they do work on all my vehicles. I have 3 very close friends that do work there with one of them being the owners nephew. Both cars went in with smoke from exhaust pipe and down on power. Both had CEL's on. I did not ask what the codes were. They used a bore scope to look into the cylinders and saw physical damage on top and top side of piston. The car that had a confirmed tune was being torn down at end of week with the owner footing the bill. Stock tune car had head pulled off to verify damage and is having a new motor sent out from Ford.

The car with a tune is a friend of mine and told me about the problem. He put it back to stock and drove it around. He drove it for 5 days smoking and running like crap then brought it into the dealership.

the car that passed Fords test, as not having a tune. What is the truth!!!!!!!!! Did it have a tune at one time???????? Because if it was totally stock , this is the first confirmed stock #8 that i have seen

This car was completely stock as it was delivered. The guy who owns it does not mod his cars. Also the head of the Service Department said he was told they have a couple isolated cases where a stock car had this problem. Also they had to send computer strategy to Ford from both cars.

The weather in town has been upper 90's with a couple days over 100. So it is hot down here right now and that may have something to do with it.

 

[05mustang_TT_charged]

Looks like the guy decided to go afk for a response....more typical BS that is spread without data to back it up? We will see.....

Maybe so but don't throw an egg and run.....

Sorry have been traveling for a couple days. I also just got back offshore.

 

[Fallenauthority]

I do not work there but they do work on all my vehicles. I have 3 very close friends that do work there with one of them being the owners nephew. Both cars went in with smoke from exhaust pipe and down on power. Both had CEL's on. I did not ask what the codes were. They used a bore scope to look into the cylinders and saw physical damage on top and top side of piston. The car that had a confirmed tune was being torn down at end of week with the owner footing the bill. Stock tune car had head pulled off to verify damage and is having a new motor sent out from Ford.

The car with a tune is a friend of mine and told me about the problem. He put it back to stock and drove it around. He drove it for 5 days smoking and running like crap then brought it into the dealership.




This car was completely stock as it was delivered. The guy who owns it does not mod his cars. Also the head of the Service Department said he was told they have a couple isolated cases where a stock car had this problem. Also they had to send computer strategy to Ford from both cars.

The weather in town has been upper 90's with a couple days over 100. So it is hot down here right now and that may have something to do with it.

I dont buy the stock one. Not saying you are lying or making shit up. I just dont believe it.

 

[kdanner]

They used a bore scope to look into the cylinders and saw physical damage on top and top side of piston.

Sorry but with the piston still in the bore, no one is looking at the side of it.

You may not want to be lumped in with the previous stories, but that is exactly what this is. No first hand information, no pictures, no teardown. Now maybe be that will change if the car gets torn down going forward as you've indicated, but right now this is a bunch of speculation.

 

[pacettr]

I do not work there but they do work on all my vehicles. I have 3 very close friends that do work there with one of them being the owners nephew. Both cars went in with smoke from exhaust pipe and down on power. Both had CEL's on. I did not ask what the codes were. They used a bore scope to look into the cylinders and saw physical damage on top and top side of piston. The car that had a confirmed tune was being torn down at end of week with the owner footing the bill. Stock tune car had head pulled off to verify damage and is having a new motor sent out from Ford.

The car with a tune is a friend of mine and told me about the problem. He put it back to stock and drove it around. He drove it for 5 days smoking and running like crap then brought it into the dealership.




This car was completely stock as it was delivered. The guy who owns it does not mod his cars. Also the head of the Service Department said he was told they have a couple isolated cases where a stock car had this problem. Also they had to send computer strategy to Ford from both cars.

The weather in town has been upper 90's with a couple days over 100. So it is hot down here right now and that may have something to do with it.

Are you certain it was #8?

 

[lostsoul]

and if its true that ford is covering up stock #8 issues then how can they justify voiding warranties to modded the cars.... do I smell a lawsuit?

 

[Fallenauthority]

and if its true that ford is covering up stock #8 issues then how can they justify voiding warranties to modded the cars.... do I smell a lawsuit?

Exactly why it is not happening. Ford would not open themselves up to that. It isnt like it wouldnt come out eventually if they did

 

[Jarrod@latemodelresto]

Just a curious question here.

Why does it seem that no one can believe that a stock engine will fail? Its it cause no one really wants to believe it, or am i missing something?

I have been following all of these threads from day one. I dont have a dog in this fight, and honestly i could care less since my car is running perfect. I also know if my engine fails, ill be footing the bill.

 

[Anthonynoz]

I dont mean to get off topic but has anyone heard of camaros/challenger issues with tunes?i know the chevy has slighty similiar issues as the mt82.thanks

 

[white05gt]

Just a curious question here.

Why does it seem that no one can believe that a stock engine will fail? Its it cause no one really wants to believe it, or am i missing something?

I have been following all of these threads from day one. I dont have a dog in this fight, and honestly i could care less since my car is running perfect. I also know if my engine fails, ill be footing the bill.

Been trying to understand that myself, I don't know if it's a case of some serious Ford nut swingers or what. Every vehicle has problems the first few years, some worse than others.

 

[lostsoul]

Why does it seem that no one can believe that a stock engine will fail? Its it cause no one really wants to believe it, or am i missing something?

There is just not enough info on the stocks cars having the issue... hell.. look at all the crap people have to go through just to try to get info on the cars with tunes.. people come in with info of friends cars or people jump in with a story and vanish when questions are asked. There's more info on big foot then this #8 issue and its pissing people off..

Some here work for Ford and have not heard of stock issues.. I and many others here would like to hear what is really going on. Those that did blow up with a simple tune will more then anyone want to know the truth. They might get their $8K back. It just baffles me as why its taking so long for the info to come out

 

[gil_t2]

It is simple, every claimed stock #8 , has so far has turned out to be a lie. The owners were returning the car to stock, and bitching that Ford would not fix it. So we want details and proof. It is very important to find the truth, if stock cars have the #8 problem, it becomes a hole new thing.The 2 stock car i know of that went bad, were from low oil and it was bearings.

 

[302]

Just a curious question here.

Why does it seem that no one can believe that a stock engine will fail? Its it cause no one really wants to believe it, or am i missing something?

I have been following all of these threads from day one. I dont have a dog in this fight, and honestly i could care less since my car is running perfect. I also know if my engine fails, ill be footing the bill.

Not to be a dick but you work for one of the best aftermarket places to get mustang parts. It's like me saying if my house has electrical problems i will just foot the bill. I can get wire and supplies half the price of Home Depot... Same difference, no?


Now back to the original statement if a stock engine fails i wonder if it is exactly the #8 piston. That has not came out, i'm sure a stock engine has failed but it probably and is highly unlikely that it follows the same pattern as tuned and modified mustangs.

 

[Jarrod@latemodelresto]

Not to be a dick but you work for one of the best aftermarket places to get mustang parts. It's like me saying if my house has electrical problems i will just foot the bill. I can get wire and supplies half the price of Home Depot... Same difference, no?

I understand where your coming from. Is it different yes. I also have that mind set that if i buy something new, start building it and it breaks then i have to pay for it. No matter if its $400 or 4k.

I have always felt this away though. I haven't always worked for LRS, and this is not my 1st nor last car that will be modified.

 

[302]

I understand where your coming from. Is it different yes. I also have that mind set that if i buy something new, start building it and it breaks then i have to pay for it. No matter if its $400 or 4k.

I have always felt this away though. I haven't always worked for LRS, and this is not my 1st nor last car that will be modified.

Yea, and that is cool. I have *NEVER* heard of an NA mustang popping an engine with just a tune and believe me I have been on mustang forums since the 90's and that is a hard pill to swallow for me and i know it is for others. Granted people can sit on the computer and spew the "pay to play" bullshit, but the 'safer' mindset and even from back in the day has always been CAI/tune/off road Xpipe and catback. Hell, i've had 3 mustangs with those very combos and have gone well over 100k miles and no problem.

EDIT/Disclaimer: Sentence 2: Tune from a reputable tuner.

 

[BruceH]

and if its true that ford is covering up stock #8 issues then how can they justify voiding warranties to modded the cars.... do I smell a lawsuit?

It would still be pretty easy to void the powertrain warranty imo. A motor tuned with added spark timing, modified wot lambda, vct changed to hold more compression, and modified knock sensor tables detonates a piston causing catastrophic failure. It would be hard to prove that was a fault of Ford.

 

[Jarrod@latemodelresto]

The funny thing for me is that 06 blew up while NA (only mod was O/R X). Im sure many people around here remember the thread. It was caused from the butter fly plates breaking (which was a dumb idea IMO from ford to put a moving part in between the head and intake) . Ford didnt do shit about it, i didnt get online looking for a hand out. I paid to have the engine built and went on about my life.

My 5.0 will be around for a long time. Im sure all this will blow over in the coming time, but it would be nice to actually see one of these #8 problems in person. For now ill just sit back and see what happens though.

 

[pacettr]

Just a curious question here.

Why does it seem that no one can believe that a stock engine will fail? Its it cause no one really wants to believe it, or am i missing something?

I have been following all of these threads from day one. I dont have a dog in this fight, and honestly i could care less since my car is running perfect. I also know if my engine fails, ill be footing the bill.

Stock engines WILL fail. On Mustangs, F150's, Fusions, Focuses, all of them.

The question is if is is the same failure as with the aftermarket tunes, and even if it is (IMO), that doesn't all of a sudden exonerate tunes.

There is just not enough info on the stocks cars having the issue... hell.. look at all the crap people have to go through just to try to get info on the cars with tunes.. people come in with info of friends cars or people jump in with a story and vanish when questions are asked. There's more info on big foot then this #8 issue and its pissing people off..

Some here work for Ford and have not heard of stock issues..

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It is simple, every claimed stock #8 , has so far has turned out to be a lie. The owners were returning the car to stock, and bitching that Ford would not fix it. So we want details and proof. It is very important to find the truth, if stock cars have the #8 problem, it becomes a hole new thing.The 2 stock car i know of that went bad, were from low oil and it was bearings.

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Curious the see what the actual failure on this untuned engine is.

Yea, and that is cool. I have *NEVER* heard of an NA mustang popping an engine with just a tune and believe me I have been on mustang forums since the 90's and that is a hard pill to swallow for me and i know it is for others. Granted people can sit on the computer and spew the "pay to play" bullshit, but the 'safer' mindset and even from back in the day has always been CAI/tune/off road Xpipe and catback. Hell, i've had 3 mustangs with those very combos and have gone well over 100k miles and no problem.

EDIT/Disclaimer: Sentence 2: Tune from a reputable tuner.

I'm willing to bet none of them had TiVCT and over 400 hp.