Eibach Multi Pro R2

[Sam Strano]

This is rich. Where's my popcorn?

For the record, this proves why you don't buy a name, you buy proven stuff that proven folks have used.

It doesn't matter the main spring is on top or not. The car still collapses them and that's not the issue. The issue is something is missing from your kit, or you have a junk upper mount. I can't be of much help as I didn't sell them, and wasn't consulted on them. I'm just trying to tell you something is busted. You need to find it. I'm sorry you have this trouble, I'm not shocked by it though. Hence the reason I don't really recommend those too much and go for KW's instead.

 

[steve13gt]

What might be missing from my kit? They have told me they will try sending me isolators.. but can't explain to me why or where these go.

I know this isn't exactly my coilover but its the only exploded view I can find.
Would you say the problem is with the "upper spring seat" or the "bottom pillow ball bearing" Which part is responsible for the rotation, the pillow ball, or the bearing. I assume the pillowball is there to allow change in shock rod angle as the suspension travels up and down, and those bearings are there for the rotation, does that make sense? I really would like everything from the spring up to be sent, but that doesn't seem to be what eibach is willing to do, even though I offered to return unused parts.

 

[Sam Strano]

I really don't know.... Maybe a spacer under the mount? Maybe the bearing in the mount is bad and jammed.

And the difference between the "older" kit and the "newer" kit isn't anything except how the tops of the struts are....

 

[Department Of Boost]

This is rich. Where's my popcorn?

For the record, this proves why you don't buy a name, you buy proven stuff that proven folks have used.

It doesn't matter the main spring is on top or not. The car still collapses them and that's not the issue. The issue is something is missing from your kit, or you have a junk upper mount. I can't be of much help as I didn't sell them, and wasn't consulted on them. I'm just trying to tell you something is busted. You need to find it. I'm sorry you have this trouble, I'm not shocked by it though. Hence the reason I don't really recommend those too much and go for KW's instead.

Have you ever put a set of R2's on a car and tuned them?

 

[Department Of Boost]

Also I am not convinced how it being upside down is my problem. I checked for clearance and the helper spring is not touching the bumpstop. Even with all tension off car jacked up I cannot rotate the upper spring seat. Even with the springs not touching it

Will the bump stop go through the middle (I.D.) of the collar that is between the main and helper spring?

 

[steve13gt]

There is clearance between the bump stop and that collar, So I don't see why not. However I think I may even have the wrong bump stops, as the ones I have compared to the pictures shown, mine are very long

 

[Sam Strano]

Have you ever put a set of R2's on a car and tuned them?

Are you going to drag me into this? I have installed them. I have adjusted them, along with a lot of others. What does that have to do with this guy's problem?

 

[Department Of Boost]

There is clearance between the bump stop and that collar, So I don't see why not. However I think I may even have the wrong bump stops, as the ones I have compared to the pictures shown, mine are very long

Are you trying to diagnose this with the car all put together and on the ground? If so you are making it very hard on yourself. It wouldn’t take abut a few minutes of having the struts in your hands to figure things out.

And you can’t measure things like spring free length, etc when they are all put together.

My advice is get the parts on the bench and start figuring things out. It sounds like you have the rear springs on the front and the front springs on the rear anyway, they have to come off.

 

[Department Of Boost]

Are you going to drag me into this?

Only if you had never had your hands on a set and wanted to throw your $.02 in.

 

[Department Of Boost]

Hence the reason I don't really recommend those too much and go for KW's instead.

Why don't you like the R2's? I'm not picking a fight with you, I’m genuinely curious.

 

[steve13gt]

If eibach sends out the parts they suspect need to be replaced, I will then tear it open to check it out. I need to drive it now, and will store it next week


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[steve13gt]

So what they are sending me is a Delrin isolator that goes between the spring and upper spring seat.. So it won't fix my problem.....


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[steve13gt]

Installed isolators, didn't help anything, and the bump stops they sent me are the same as I already had, they look huge though. Now they are sending me a new top plate.

Btw there is no extra bearing in there, It just goes Top spring Plate/mount, then a metal bushing/adapter(as eibach calls it) that pillow ball mount, and another "adapter" on top.

 

[908ssp]

My KWs from Roush and the M&M top mounts for the Eibachs that GMitch has both use an upper bearing to allow the free rotation of the shock body spring assembly. Your set up doesn't make any sense with no thrust bearing. The ball joint is not designed to be freely turning with the weight of the car on it.

Is the spacer between the top of the spring and the upper spring seat a bearing? It looks like a thing sandwich in the assembly drawing.

With the upper and lower pillow block bearing spacers in the pillow block bearing assembly do they turn freely? Pushing them together will they spin? Is there a free turning thrust bearing inside the pillow block?

 

[Vorshlag-Fair]

Your (Eibach top mount) set up doesn't make any sense with no thrust bearing. The ball joint is not designed to be freely turning with the weight of the car on it.

Agreed. This is the number one problem we see in many camber plate designs - either an inadequate radial bearing or none at all. Allowing the spherical bearing to rotate will radically accelerate the wear to this bearing. Sphericals are made to pivot relative to the strut axis, not to spin along this axis.

http://www.vorshlag.com/sphericalbearing.php

The link above goes to a tech article where we explain what I mean about radial vs spherical bearings, and why both are necessary in a spehrical top mount. Scroll down to the section called "Sealed Radial Bearing Spring Perches". This is why "some" spherical strut top mounts (aka: "camber plates", when they adjust camber - which the Eibachs do not) never seem to make noise or eat spherical bearings.

 

[steve13gt]

Can I just switch top plates, to another brand, or do I need to use eibach with my eibach coilovers.. Which CC plates would I buy to use with my setup

My setup is identical to this picture..

 

[zquez]

Maximum Motorsports makes one specifically for the Eibachs.

http://www.maximummotorsports.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=309_339_346&products_id=1380

 

[Chim-Chim]

Maximum Motorsports makes one specifically for the Eibachs.

http://www.maximummotorsports.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=309_339_346&products_id=1380

You can also call them and just buy the upper spring seat and bearing.

 

[908ssp]

You can also call them and just buy the upper spring seat and bearing.

But that only works if you already have their caster chamber plates I think. They do make good caster chamber plates I used them before I switched to the KW shocks and I helped put the set on gmitch's car.

 

[steve13gt]

I like the vorshlag design, but I think it may make my car sit higher since has more height


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