Anyone on this board run a 3V all motor automatic trans drag setup ?

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I see a lot of 3V manual trans dragstrip info, but I am looking for 3v owners ( to compare notes with) that have set up their N/A S197 drag car with an automatic.

I am curious how quick one of these S197 cars could go with the factory 5 spd auto and a decent convertor.
Or, someone who has tackled the C-4 trans swap into a S197
 

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I bet a lot of the details are in the thread or posts they made
 

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My PB so far is an 8.23 @ 83mph with 800 DA. Fastest MPH I've been was at 300-400 DA and it went 86.99mph.

Here's Everything I have so far, The trans is out as we speak, adding a 3000 stall converter and bigs/littles. It should get my 60' down significantly, and lets not forget the 172,XXX miles on mine :insane:

Steeda CAI and MAF
GT 500 Throttle Body
Steeda CMCV delete plates
JLT Billet Oil separator
Hotrod cams
MSD coils
Steeda underdrive pully
Ford Racing shorty headers
Pypes offroad x-pipe
Pypes Pype Bomb after cat system
Lito Tuned w/ Datalog
SR performance lowering springs
Steeda Billet Lower control arms
J&M adjustable upper control arm.
BMR upper control arm mount
BMR control arm relocation brackets
BMR adjustable panhard bar
Koni rear shocks
Ford Racing differential with carbon discs
Ford Racing 4.10 gear
Alloy USA 31 spline axles

FR500 wheels
Front 18x9 with 235/50/18 Nexen tires.
Rear 18x10 deep dish with 285/40/18 Nitto 555r tires.
Hurst line lock
Stop Tech slotted rotors w/ Hawk pads and Russell braided lines
Morimoto HID's

Going on now 15/10 and 15/3.75 race stars with Hoosier quick time pros and a TCI 300 stall converter. Also removed passenger and rear seats since mostly a track car now, and who knows, maybe an intake and driveshaft will be next.:whistle1:
I'll post new times soon.
 

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Thanks Bagel_Dog !

I have to run a full interior in the class I run and the lightest I can possible run the car is 3410 lbs. with me in it.

I have gone thru my old issues of MM&FF and 5.0 Mustang looking for articles on 5R55S Mustangs.
 

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I run a 5R55S tranny as well. I have 3.73 FRPP Gears . I have a torque converter but dont have it installed yet.

My PB on street tires and tune was 13.3 @102.9 with a .127 RT.

I got some drag radials (Nitto NT 555 R's ) and added in panhard bar , strange adjustable shocks and aftermarket LCA's but havent been to the track as of yet. Hoping to break into 13.0 flat or below with those mods then with the torque converter go into the high 12.8's or better.
 

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Here was my 06 gt auto, 120+k miles, stock converter, long tubes, cai intake, 3.73's, dr's, sct hand hold tuner, adjustable rear control arms. Best was 12.88 105mph, lots of 13.0, 13.1's, weight was about 3600lbs
 

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Here was my 06 gt auto, 120+k miles, stock converter, long tubes, cai intake, 3.73's, dr's, sct hand hold tuner, adjustable rear control arms. Best was 12.88 105mph, lots of 13.0, 13.1's, weight was about 3600lbs

Thanks porkipine

The best I have got so far is a 13.17 @ 103 with a soft 2.00 60 ft. @ 3500 lbs with me in it. ( stock 3.31 rear gears-27 in drag tires )

It has a Brenspeed 93 octane tune, but it still feels like the car is holding back power until it hits 3000 and then the tach takes off.

I have the traction control off, but I wonder if there is still something in the tune making those lazy 60 ft times ?
 

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Hi. See my mods/time in sig. My 60' isn't so good. I have traction, but I think I need to step up to a 4,000 rpm converter to really get the car to 60 better. I've only had it out twice so still sorting things out. It ran 9.80 in the 1/8 totally stock back in October when I bought it, and I've picked up 1.25 sec and 10 mph with the mods listed. I think you have to get that stall up there. For this season, I am sticking with what I have, but might try a 4K converter next year. I have MT SS drag radial 275s and really like them. Only trans mods are hardened input shaft and converter.
 

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Hi. See my mods/time in sig. My 60' isn't so good. I have traction, but I think I need to step up to a 4,000 rpm converter to really get the car to 60 better. I've only had it out twice so still sorting things out. It ran 9.80 in the 1/8 totally stock back in October when I bought it, and I've picked up 1.25 sec and 10 mph with the mods listed. I think you have to get that stall up there. For this season, I am sticking with what I have, but might try a 4K converter next year. I have MT SS drag radial 275s and really like them. Only trans mods are hardened input shaft and converter.

Thanks for posting.
I see you have the 4.10 gears and are running 8.50's now.

My best 1/8th was 8.49 @ 83 mph @ 3500 lbs with me in it.

The more I thought of it, my car is kind of heavy and with the small 281 cu.in. engine, and a stock converter with stock rear gears, then that might explain why it takes off so slow. It's just that I would have thought a 300 hp engine car would have a better 60 ft. than what I have been getting.

I have never spun tires with it off the line so far ( Hoosier Quick Time Pro DOT) , so this weekend I'm going to try some runs without doing a burnout to see if it still hooks fine.
 
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Thanks for posting.
I see you have the 4.10 gears and are running 8.50's now.

My best 1/8th was 8.49 @ 83 mph @ 3500 lbs with me in it.

The more I thought of it, my car is kind of heavy and with the small 281 cu.in. engine, and a stock converter with stock rear gears, then that might explain why it takes off so slow. It's just that I would have thought a 300 hp engine car would have a better 60 ft. than what I have been getting.

I have never spun tires with it off the line so far ( Hoosier Quick Time Pro DOT) , so this weekend I'm going to try some runs without doing a burnout to see if it still hooks fine.

What are you running for tire pressure? Also, are you footbraking it or leaving from idle? I got my best time footbraking as high as possible. I am running 22 psi in my tires, but I tried everything from 17-25, and 22 gave me the best times. Experiment with tire psi. It can make a big difference. You should be able to run a little more pressure with those tires. You have plenty of tire for the power you are putting down, that's for sure.

Have you done anything to lighten your car?
 

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What are you running for tire pressure? Also, are you footbraking it or leaving from idle? I got my best time footbraking as high as possible. I am running 22 psi in my tires, but I tried everything from 17-25, and 22 gave me the best times. Experiment with tire psi. It can make a big difference. You should be able to run a little more pressure with those tires. You have plenty of tire for the power you are putting down, that's for sure.

Have you done anything to lighten your car?

I run 21 psi in the rears.
As for the weight, the lightest my car can run in Stock Eliminator is 3410 with me in it. I am at 3500 right now.

I do footbrake as hard as I can.
1700 is the highest I can go.
@ 1750 it pushed thru the brakes.
My latest problem is the drive by wire throttle. It seems twitchy...

I run 28 in. tall front tires @ 40 psi, so I have to push the car all the way against the brakes..

Of the 5 passes I have made in testing so far, only once did I get a clean footbrake stage.
On the other runs I would push the engine up to 1700 and the throttle was so sensitive that the rpm would jump up to 1850 and push the car thru the brakes for a split second, then the rpm would drop back to 1700.
It's real nerve racking.

My 60 ft. times and R/T changed of course when that happened.
I think a tune change might be able to take out some of that sensitivity.
 

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Hey, I was the same way footbraking this weekend. Mine will go to about 2200, and I have a TCI 3000 stall converter, nothing fancy. The throttle is just "twitchy" on these cars.

A tune that tightens up the shifts, and gears and converter will make a big difference for you. I'd go 4,000 on the converter if this is a max effort car. Gears 4.10 or even 4.30s. Use one of those rpm calculators to see where your rpms would be. 28" rear tire.

A tune might make it a little snappier throttle wise, but the throttle on these cars is weird. That big gap in the pedal/throttle before it kicks in. I made a little bracket and adjuster that I use to set the pedal lower, it basically is a an adjusting screw that I turn and pushes right on the pedal arm and so that the "slack" is taken out. It's easy to make something like that as the whole pedal mechanism just come right out of the car really easily.I can't totally get the "slack" out but it is way better.

Man, with what you are running now, you might be able to get in the 7s with the right tune, converter, and gears, and a nice cool Fall night, and dropping that 90 extra pounds you have to work with.

What sorts of rules are there on things like driveshafts? Do you have the stock one? Those way like 39 pounds and an alum one ways like 18. Can you drop the front sway bar? I have a sway bar delete/radiator support on my car. That's like 18 pounds or so, I think. Do you have light wheels? If not, wheels, radiator support and DS would get you pretty close to that minimum weight.
 

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I run 21 psi in the rears.
As for the weight, the lightest my car can run in Stock Eliminator is 3410 with me in it. I am at 3500 right now.

I do footbrake as hard as I can.
1700 is the highest I can go.
@ 1750 it pushed thru the brakes.
My latest problem is the drive by wire throttle. It seems twitchy...

I run 28 in. tall front tires @ 40 psi, so I have to push the car all the way against the brakes..

Of the 5 passes I have made in testing so far, only once did I get a clean footbrake stage.
On the other runs I would push the engine up to 1700 and the throttle was so sensitive that the rpm would jump up to 1850 and push the car thru the brakes for a split second, then the rpm would drop back to 1700.
It's real nerve racking.

My 60 ft. times and R/T changed of course when that happened.
I think a tune change might be able to take out some of that sensitivity.


This is a small thing, but I find that my car runs best when the engine is as cool as possible. Throw in a 160 thermostat if you haven't already. It's cheap and easy to do.
 

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Hey, I was the same way footbraking this weekend. Mine will go to about 2200, and I have a TCI 3000 stall converter, nothing fancy. The throttle is just "twitchy" on these cars.

A tune that tightens up the shifts, and gears and converter will make a big difference for you. I'd go 4,000 on the converter if this is a max effort car. Gears 4.10 or even 4.30s. Use one of those rpm calculators to see where your rpms would be. 28" rear tire.

A tune might make it a little snappier throttle wise, but the throttle on these cars is weird. That big gap in the pedal/throttle before it kicks in. I made a little bracket and adjuster that I use to set the pedal lower, it basically is a an adjusting screw that I turn and pushes right on the pedal arm and so that the "slack" is taken out. It's easy to make something like that as the whole pedal mechanism just come right out of the car really easily.I can't totally get the "slack" out but it is way better.

Man, with what you are running now, you might be able to get in the 7s with the right tune, converter, and gears, and a nice cool Fall night, and dropping that 90 extra pounds you have to work with.

What sorts of rules are there on things like driveshafts? Do you have the stock one? Those way like 39 pounds and an alum one ways like 18. Can you drop the front sway bar? I have a sway bar delete/radiator support on my car. That's like 18 pounds or so, I think. Do you have light wheels? If not, wheels, radiator support and DS would get you pretty close to that minimum weight.

Interesting idea on the throttle pedal deal.

I now have an electric water pump and a manual control over the low speed side of the fan, so I can run as cool as possible...if I wanted to.
I'll get to experiment tomorrow with different temps while in the staging beams.
I'll try 120, 130, 140 in the beams, then 150.
Gotta help more than 190 degrees...lol

Last weekend I jammed the t-stat open with a couple of stainless steel bolts.
First I was going to delete the t-stat until I saw that it needed to be there to provide a place for the o-ring seal to sit.
So I jammed it open and then blocked off the bypass line coming from the driver's side of the intake down to the t-stat housing.
Problem solved :)
Now 98% of all the water is forced to exit the engine on the passenger side of the intake, go thru the radiator, and back into the block near the oil filter.
With the car off, the water temp went from 190 to 140 in 7 minutes with the fan on low.

We are not allowed to run an aluminum driveshaft because the car never came from the factory with aluminum. So it's steel only.
Only 2 companies I know of make a steel one-piece shaft for the 3v S197....Roush and Inland Empire.

I do have the front sway bar removed, but I did not want to go with a aftermarket custom made style sway bar/radiator support because I do not know what the Tech guys would say.
I would think if it is painted black and blended in with the rest of the front end, they may not say anything.
However, we are not allowed to run aftermarket k-members, so an aftermarket radiator support might fall into the same category....maybe ?
 
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Interesting idea on the throttle pedal deal.


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Hey, click on my username and then click on statistics and I made a photo album that has a picture of the throttle pedal adjuster I made.

Couldn't figure out how to just paste it right in here. Too large.

You know, I had been thinking about going FI next year, but you have me pretty excited about seeing what this current combo I have can run. I think in the fall, when it's cool, and if the DA hits 4K, it could run in the 8.30s, and then next year plop in a 4K stall converter, and try to dip into the VERY high 7s, like 7.99. That would be a blast.

scott
 

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