Will there will be a run on S197 cars shortly?

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Within the next year or two. The 2005-2014 cars were in rare company. The Camaros and Dodges of the same era were more complex, much heavier -dodge cars only slightly less so as they are essentially identical today - the interiors have taken a similar quantum leap as the Mustang's.

Since the electric rumor for 2028 came down the pipe I bet a lot more people are getting a lot more excited to lock in their "last ride." It seems like Mustangs are a dime a dozen, but the supply will get very dear very quickly. You can't get a fox body where I'm from any more for less than 5 figures that isn't full of holes. The S197 is almost the same car, just has chassis engineering from this century.

In the past, people would let cars that weren't that old just slip by, be destroyed or lost (SN95's!) I think since they are the last of the breed the S197 cars will be a lot more coveted.
 

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And yet I'm getting lowballed asking $9000 for a very clean and heavily upgraded 91 GT.
So, IMO, who gives a fuck! I don't need the money.
 

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IMO, I think there will be a tighter market for the 05-09 cars due to the styling resembling the cars of yesteryear. Not so much for the 10-14 cars because those are fat and ugly. I was disappointed when the redesign in 2010 went in a different direction and haven't cared for them since. I also realize that I'm in a small minority who only cares about 65-69 and 05-09 cars due to their styling/design heritage. Most people only care about powah, powah, powah anyway so the 11-14 cars will have their day in the sun too. The key will be finding a 1-2 owner car with less than 50k miles and not rusted. Too many people beat the shit outta these cars and unless you have real knowledge and a trained eye, you'll get duped into buying a visual queen with whore internals....meaning she looks great, but she's severely worn out.
 

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Shit, a nice used 05-09 was hard to find in 2012! Just finding an unmolested (un-modded and bone stock) mustang of any year is next to impossible.
 

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I know, I looked every damn day online and around town for 18 months in central Florida before I found mine. I wanted a stick, GT, convertible, one owner with less than 40k miles. I got discouraged several times and finally found one about an hour from me. One owner, GT, convertible with 21k on it. It wasn't a stick, but I was soooo tired of looking I bought it anyway.

07-09 GT500 and Bullitt prices are getting stupid already. Time will only make it worse. I really want a 07-09 GT500 and can afford it, but I just can't bring myself to spend that much money on a vehicle. I've done it twice in my life and both time I regretted it after about 3 months.
 

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IMO, I think there will be a tighter market for the 05-09 cars due to the styling resembling the cars of yesteryear. Not so much for the 10-14 cars because those are fat and ugly. I was disappointed when the redesign in 2010 went in a different direction and haven't cared for them since. I also realize that I'm in a small minority who only cares about 65-69 and 05-09 cars due to their styling/design heritage. Most people only care about powah, powah, powah anyway so the 11-14 cars will have their day in the sun too. The key will be finding a 1-2 owner car with less than 50k miles and not rusted. Too many people beat the shit outta these cars and unless you have real knowledge and a trained eye, you'll get duped into buying a visual queen with whore internals....meaning she looks great, but she's severely worn out.

OK, Boomer.
 

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the 2010+ cars did go downhill in a big way in the rear bumper area. When I first saw the 05 I thought the rear bumper was tall/fat, then they kept making it higher/lowre throughout the run.

A 2013 GT500 does look great, though.
 

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the 2010+ cars did go downhill in a big way in the rear bumper area. When I first saw the 05 I thought the rear bumper was tall/fat, then they kept making it higher/lowre throughout the run.

A 2013 GT500 does look great, though.
For me it wasn't the rear as much as it was the front. The front looks squished.
 

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No there won't be a run on S197 cars. Fors made a stagering number of V8 cars from '05 up. plenty to fo around at reasonable prices. you will just have to pay for low mileage cars accordingly.

Realize that 2005 cars are 16 years old now. And the tech in them is way out of date. Electric cars, for all the hub-bub, are still a dream and wide spread adoption is still 10-15 years out. Their are power generation and delivery issues to be addressed. Battery range and recharge issues to be addressed. And that takes time and money. LOTS of money.
 

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In my opinion, first get s197s are not going to be in high demand anytime soon. They’re old enough to be uninteresting to fans but not old enough to be a classic. They can be good candidates for coyote swaps but they’re heavier than foxes and sn95s which I believe hurts desirability.

Then the second gen s197, demand is still decent because it has the coyote but people are dropping them for the 18+ gt with the a10.

I don’t know if it’s just my area but there are few s197’s in general on the streets.


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I think the day will come when '05-'09 GTs will become desirable again, but that may be another 15+ years away when they reach classic status. People will buy them as a piece of nostalgia and won't care much about the tech. It's likely most would end up being restomodded (much like '65-'70 models currently) to make them usable in a more modern era.
As '65-'70 models are becoming increasingly rare, I think the much stiffer-chassis of the '05-'09 will become appealing to those who'll want the classic looks but without breaking the bank. I think those who currently own one should hang onto it. As long as the bodyshell remains straight (no major accidents) and virtually rust free, you needn't worry about wearing out mechanical parts as these can be easily replaced or updated.
The '05-'09 has virtually bottomed out in terms of depreciation in value but it's a long way from being old enough to become an investment. The 2008 Bullitt will become a future collectible since it had a limited production run, but it would have to be fitted with 100% OEM components and original dark highland green to command the highest value. As for the '07-'09 GT500, it'll always be desirable and good ones will inevitably command premium prices.
 
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Ha, if you think S197's will/are possible rare commodity, try to locate a decently priced/shape late 60's-early 70's 'Stang. That's a muscle car...IMO.
 

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Just what I'm seeing here, I am probably myopic as Mustang sales aren't great in Canada. That thread where the guy had his early 5.0 car on Carvana made me start thinking that things were similar in the US.

We will see. I'm good! As long as nobody runs into my Bullitt and I don't run out of talent.

I like old cars. 2005-2010 are my favorite era, toothpick displays, cruddy plastic. Heck, the 80's and 90's were great, but the 05+ cars are so much safer and more solid.
 

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I like old cars. 2005-2010 are my favorite era, toothpick displays, cruddy plastic. Heck, the 80's and 90's were great, but the 05+ cars are so much safer and more solid.

I'm with ya on that. I love old cars and I find the cheap/retro themed interiors of the 05-9 to be charming :) To all of you saying there's plenty of 05-09 cars out there, I don't know where you're seeing them because I don't see them in Tampa or Orlando (two large cities). S550's are a dime a dozen on the road, but I rarely see an S197, and when I do, it looks like it just came back from Vietnam :(
 

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I'm with ya on that. I love old cars and I find the cheap/retro themed interiors of the 05-9 to be charming :) To all of you saying there's plenty of 05-09 cars out there, I don't know where you're seeing them because I don't see them in Tampa or Orlando (two large cities). S550's are a dime a dozen on the road, but I rarely see an S197, and when I do, it looks like it just came back from Vietnam :(


All "collectable" or desirable cars more or less disappear from about 15 years old to about 30 years old and then they reappear on the market. It's a weird phenomenon I've noticed over the years. Fox-bodies are reappearing. SN95 and New Edge cars are "missing". In the next 5-10 years I expect more and more of them to show up. Then the S197 cars should start showing up anew.
 

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I really miss the political threads :lol::lol: but some good discussion here.
 

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All "collectable" or desirable cars more or less disappear from about 15 years old to about 30 years old and then they reappear on the market. It's a weird phenomenon I've noticed over the years. Fox-bodies are reappearing. SN95 and New Edge cars are "missing". In the next 5-10 years I expect more and more of them to show up. Then the S197 cars should start showing up anew.
That makes freaky sense now that you mention it. I see new Edge Mustangs quite often, but I never see 94-98 Mustangs, ever.
 

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All "collectable" or desirable cars more or less disappear from about 15 years old to about 30 years old and then they reappear on the market. It's a weird phenomenon I've noticed over the years. Fox-bodies are reappearing. SN95 and New Edge cars are "missing". In the next 5-10 years I expect more and more of them to show up. Then the S197 cars should start showing up anew.

Yup. They probably get stored away in barns for several years until the owners have completely forgotten about them. Then one day, a Richard Rawlings wheeler dealer type appears out of nowhere and offers to buy the whole lot. ;)
 

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Yup. They probably get stored away in barns for several years until the owners have completely forgotten about them. Then one day, a Richard Rawlings wheeler dealer type appears out of nowhere and offers to buy the whole lot. ;)

Not far off from my theory as to why this happens. I suspect people just hold onto their cars even if they don't drive them and then one sells for dumb money and all of a sudden every one of them is worth that dumb money and everyone thinks they'll get rich so they sell them. Foxbody values were steady a few years ago. Then several exceptional cars sold for substantial money. The stream of available cars grew as did the asking prices of all Foxbodies. $5000 or $6000 cars were suddenly being advertised as $8-$9000 cars. Or more if a special model.
 

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